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Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:47 pm  
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Slight bit of misrepresentation in there saying we only lost scruton and sammut as a result of cash problems. Seem to remember Carvell, winterstein, Bateman and l'estrange also leaving during cost cutting period after OK walked away too.


Also that both Sammut and Scruton were signed by Wakefield in the build up to our games against both them and the other relegation favourite London, timings that suggest Wakefield were trying to disrupt Bradford's preparation and damage their chances of survival. Quite a dirty trick really.

And now to try and hold the RFL hostage in this manner? Doesn't speak to highly of Wakefield's chairman, does it?
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Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:47 pm  
He's bluffing.....

Given the fact that his house has been put forward as a guarantee, I can't see him quitting!

Don't fall for his bluff fat man!
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Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:48 pm  
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Slight bit of misrepresentation in there saying we only lost scruton and sammut as a result of cash problems. Seem to remember Carvell, winterstein, Bateman and l'estrange also leaving during cost cutting period after OK walked away too.


Also a bit rich saying he 'only wants a level playing field'

Seems to have forgotten us losing half of our Sky money for 2 years. Not sure why he'd forget - as HIS club were only too happy to pocket their share of it!!!

'Level playing field' my ass :roll:
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Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:51 pm  
He's still parroting the balls that they'd have been kicked out if they'd entered admin.

Either show us the proof carter or shut the fkup.
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Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:56 pm  
Awful and awkward desperation press release from Mr Carter... I think there is more chance of me winning the lottery then getting all 6 points back but hopeful for at least 2!
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Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:03 pm  
What makes Northern such a special case?

How much are you going to repay me (a regular taxpayer) when you have screwed the honest taxpayers of this country on several occasions?

Repay all that your inept owners owe to every creditor and then you will gain the respect that you believe that you are owed. Until you do then you deserve a 6 points deduction, just the same as every other Club that have been in the same situation.
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Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:26 pm  
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Can't see how the Appeals Panel can possibly give any points back. ...

Well, we aren't holding our breath, but the "how" is quite easy, they just announce it, like they announce a points deduction, only with slightly different words.
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Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:31 pm  
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What makes Northern such a special case?

How much are you going to repay me (a regular taxpayer) when you have screwed the honest taxpayers of this country on several occasions?

Repay all that your inept owners owe to every creditor and then you will gain the respect that you believe that you are owed. Until you do then you deserve a 6 points deduction, just the same as every other Club that have been in the same situation.

So that's 2 points back with you wanting it all been the same.
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Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:35 pm  
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What makes Northern such a special case?

How much are you going to repay me (a regular taxpayer) when you have screwed the honest taxpayers of this country on several occasions?

Repay all that your inept owners owe to every creditor and then you will gain the respect that you believe that you are owed. Until you do then you deserve a 6 points deduction, just the same as every other Club that have been in the same situation.


:lol:

For one thing, I AM a fscking honest taxpayer as are the majority of Bulls fans, but you clearly haven't got the brains to see that. In any case, I imagine you're a scrote that has never done a days work in your miserable life, and I expect that in any given week the honest taxpayer is a pretty penny worse off net as a result of your miserable sponging existence so don't come on here pretending. Anyway, to annoy you even more, it is nothing to do with what "we deserve", nor your Daily Wail opinions, but just the decision of the appeals panel.

If by some chance we did get some points back, then please do make sure you come back on here to vent your spleen as it would be very funny.

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Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:41 pm  
Ferocious Aardvark wrote:
:shock: You're blowing kisses now?

You are rambling. Your points amount to the business being a basket case, and Whitcut and Khan not being fit to run a whelk stall, thus having ruined the club. Fair summary?

But now suddenly it was a "business that could be turned around"? Was it? Based on what?

And while you would want "someone" in there "watching out for things", given the state of the books, and if you really thought these things, are you seriously telling me that that someone you would choose would be Whitcut? Seriously? As opposed to him being the last person?

Why wouldn't you, for example, instead of walking away, take over yourself? You can watch out for things better that way> Or why wouldn't you, if you were too ill to remain, finally appoint someone at least at capable whelk retail level?

In this discussion personalities are surely completely irrelevant? At any rate, OK saved teh club, and all i have said is I will always be grateful to him for that.

They do? They are certainly joined in civil proceedings where OK is the claimant and Whitcut is a defendant. Do you think that counts?


FA I don't think I could put things any clearer for you any more than Northern Relic has.
I doubt very much OK is joined in legal proceedings with RW though I note a press release that suggested he may take that action.
Others have observed they are now back working together.
The business Bradford Bulls could be turned around from horrendous losses and indeed ahould have been if steps had been taken early enough.

If £1.2 million was been withheld over two years I would have done the following.

1.Reduced players wages bill from salary cap £1.8 million to £1.2.By offloading the big earners on well in excess of £100000 a year and engaging more in the up and coming category with everything to prove still.
2.Not set on lots more other backup staff that took wages in total to over £2.5 million.Eg Robbie,Medical staff,pyhsios,conditioners uncle Tom Cobbly and all
3.Not attempted to make money from things that in the event lost nearly £200000 the ill-fated 80"s pop concert
4.Ensured the bars operated where purchases for stock exceeded sales.(I make it up not believe me....funny how RW has a string of failed bars to his previous occupied time.Do a sarch if you do not believe me.

Finishing mid to low table would be all I would have expected given the short change the RFL dished out at September 2012.
Looked at operating costs throughout the business (As Andrew Calvert did and found savings of £400000 could be made)

Head in the Clouds or what he did none of that.
Instead costs ballooned to the point of no return.

Having failed Ok realised he had nowhere to go.
Suddenly accountants lawyers were to be engaged as investors were the RW soundbites.

Given that Sky funding was to return in full by this September of course there was a chance Ok felt even if he was not up to it.others may be able to.And by selling hec would still be owed and get his money back.
Says a lot about the accounting records (or complete lack of them)that OK claims he is owed £1.1 million and the administrater, having had a cursory look to date ,says nearer £400000.

There could be serious charges arising out of any enquiry.
In that situation making things as clear as mud helps dishonest directors.
The timing of all the changes would suggest that as the anniversary of his takeover came about and accounts would have to be produced for Legal reasons it would be a good idea to quit as a director.
Its there fault when things go wrong not the shareholders.

They all resigned almost on block.
Because things were so bad.
Hospital pass thrown out...ever had one?
I am privy to documentation I admit to support what I say.
I shall be representing a creditor hopefully at the creditors meeting.
Which I assure you will not be dull.
Its like been in the stocks if you have ever attended one.
Ok may claim to be the biggest creditor.
And want his own liquidator in.
We will see.
I doubt he has the evidence to support any of it.

Incidently you mentioned that OK was using his other business bank accounts to run the club initially.
That may explain why the lunatic poster on the T & A site Alex (thingamyjig cant remember exact forum name but usually brings up the Viking song)posted that his season ticket money paid showed up on his bank statement as going through "Lister Hotel" another basket case that the Telegraph Argus reported 5 years ago was failing.Ok bailed out.Whitcut flew in.18 months later that dream was also in tatters.

Add to that the strong and persiostent rumour of money laundered finance that may have been supporting the Bulls and the plot just gets thicker and thicker.

There is plenty of that floating around this once fine city.
Have you been in the shop that just sells bottled water yet FA.From the tap.

Hold your fire and let events take there course.

The rollercoaster will still run.
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