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Re: players at bulls
Post Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:24 pm
Posted by supercat on Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:24 pm
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There could be players on and off contract who might not want to stay for starters. Will investors want to pay wages that some of players are currently on. There are loads of problems for Bulls to sort out even if saved.
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Post Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:53 pm
Posted by mat on Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:53 pm
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bobsmyuncle wrote:
I think it means that there will be 5 players going by redundancy now.
Might be cutting some on longer contracts and on high wages. Scruton (2014), Purtell (2014) maybe to clear the decks.
Probably Sykes (2013)
and maybe a couple who are 2012 but dont figure in selection.

There is no reason to ditch top players who will be OOC 2012 anyway. Burgess, Elima etc.to play the season out

Don't think it's possible to pick and choose with regard to player redundancies tbh. Afaik it's the entire squad or none.
Re: players at bulls
Post Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:04 pm
Posted by Bulls4Champs on Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:04 pm
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If we are going to lose players then we have to at least keep the spine of the team and the youngsters together.
Re: players at bulls
Post Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:19 pm
Posted by bobsmyuncle on Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:19 pm
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jockabull wrote:
Wouldn't it make more sense to pay off players OOC at the end of the year? Anyone contracted out to 2014 would surely be due more money that then counts on our salary cap for those years should we survive.

I,m sure there other posters who are more conversant with redundancy pay than me, and would welcome any corrections.
Redundancy pay is only due after 2 years of contract & then at 1 weeks pay (for players 22 year old to 40 year old) for each year of contract. So most players would not be due a great deal, if anything
It does not matter how long into the future the contract if for.
Under a Liquidation the redundancy pay would be paid by the government : Redundancy Pay Services
I'm not sure that applies to Administration.
Likely redundancy payments come under the salary cap for this year, but the wage savings will be far more than that. Reducing the salary cap.
Re: players at bulls
Post Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:30 pm
Posted by bobsmyuncle on Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:30 pm
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mat wrote:
Don't think it's possible to pick and choose with regard to player redundancies tbh. Afaik it's the entire squad or none.

You might be right Mat, though in my first experience of such a thing I saw half the staff made redundant and the other half kept on to keep the company trading. so they did pick and choose then
Re: players at bulls
Post Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:37 pm
Posted by littletubbstaylor on Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:37 pm
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Think this is Nobby`s job, sorting out who to keep and who`s gonna go!
Re: players at bulls
Post Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:37 pm
Posted by mat on Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:37 pm
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bobsmyuncle wrote:
You might be right Mat, though in my first experience of such a thing I saw half the staff made redundant and the other half kept on to keep the company trading. so they did pick and choose then

In normal employment law your correct. But as well as the law of the land we have to answer to rfl as well, who hold a big stickbover us in terms of the license. Pretty certain they would take a dim view of clubs making players that didn't fit in their future plans anymore redundant. Can't remember an example of a player being made redundant.
Re: players at bulls
Post Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:39 pm
Posted by Adeybull on Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:39 pm
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The administrator can sack anyone he wants, provided its not on the usual discriminatory grounds. The rest get TUPEd across to (any) successor business.

Those staff who are paid off are entitled to statutory redundancy pay, accrued holiday pay etc and pay in lieu of notice. Up to certain upper limits, in an insolvency situation these are paid by the DwP, who then stands in place of the employees as a preferential creditor.

Any amounts owing to employees above the statutory maxima rank as unsecured creditors. This applies especially to e.g. players with fixed-term contracts. And they take their chances with the rest.
Re: players at bulls
Post Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:40 pm
Posted by bobsmyuncle on Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:40 pm
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Bulls4Champs wrote:
If we are going to lose players then we have to at least keep the spine of the team and the youngsters together.

The best news this week (if any news is to be believed) is that one of the consortium is insisting that
the young players be retained and that the Bulls retain their SL licence.
The players we loose I expect to be those weaker ones on high salaries.
Re: players at bulls
Post Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:52 pm
Posted by pie.warrior on Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:52 pm
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bobsmyuncle wrote:
The best news this week (if any news is to be believed) is that one of the consortium is insisting that
the young players be retained and that the Bulls retain their SL licence.
The players we loose I expect to be those weaker ones on high salaries.


keeping the young talented players could be that they have more value when sold for profit
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