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Iain wrote:
As a member of the Institute of Occupational Safety and Health I get sick of "health & safety" being lazily trotted out as an excuse not to do things. I can certainly see valid health & safety reasons not to allow these things in certain areas like gangways or terraces, but to blame H&S on them not being allowed in the stadium full stop simply sounds like someone who can't be arsed to find a solution.
Two key points regarding people arriving with pushchairs etc: 1 - due to parking arrangements many people won't have cars parked up just outside the stadium to leave a buggy in; 2 - a large chunk of planning for the stadium centred around not requiring people to drive. This sounds like an opportunity for the Stadium/club to put a bit of effort into having a store for pushchairs and then shout about what a great family friendly venue it is, leading the way etc. I read on facebook that the stadium "can't take responsibility" for looking after pushchairs; sounds like "can't" should be replaced by "doesn't want to" - it's not as though the stewards are particularly busy on a matchday.
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Rooted Red wrote:
Find it strange that airports and airlines who are H&S fanatics can find a way to safely manage prams and buggies, but a huge stadium can't. In my opinion, it's just typical of an organisation that don't make anywhere near enough effort to accommodate the fans they are supposed to be attracting.
Build it and they will come..................pi** enough of them off and they will certainly leave pretty quickly AND stay away. There are plenty of alternative attractions.
Usually you check your buggy or pram in when you arrive and they stick it in the hold of the plane away from the er passengers, also Airports are not covered by the "Guide to Safety at Sports Grounds" 5th Edition 2008 issued by the DCMS. This is the guide that the stadium management group have to adhere to to be able to put events on. This pretty much means that anything that is not fixed down should not be left in the aisles or the concourse which are used as exits in the event of an evacuation so i guess this means things like prams, wheelbarrows etc.
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We have a double buggy and whilst I try to go to the match "unnacompanied" for selfish reasons I have taken the kids, now we need this buggy as it keeps them seated, allows us to push the pram after we have parked at a friends house near Eccles ARLFC, Not to mention the family stand that was built incorporating a lift for the very purpose of prams/strollers etc.
As the Mrs just said what a stupid thing to do how can families bring infants/small children and wasn't it meant to be family orientated. Added with kids are more likely to run off/get lost. - And ow yeah " well we won't be going again then"
Which 2012 is this ? and will wheelchairs be banned ? sounds like discrimination to me..
Dreadful decision and when they do a push to attract families guess what will happen .
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Bigpev wrote:
Usually you check your buggy or pram in when you arrive and they stick it in the hold of the plane away from the er passengers,
Poppycock Pev as a person who's spent the last eight years occasionally taking a pram/buggy onto a plane I can tell you that you do not have to check your pram in in the literal sense, that is you must check it in as an item of luggage but are allowed to keep it with you until you are about to board where the people at the gate take it off you, place it at the front of the plane where it enters the front hold with other buggies. Ow yeah not to mention my last job was at er Manchester Airport as a baggage handler.
Worry a little bit every day and in a lifetime you will lose a couple of years. If something is wrong, fix it if you can. But train yourself not to worry. Worry never fixes anything.
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The Stupid Neither Forgive Nor Forget
The Naive Forgive And Forget
The Wise Forgive But Don't Forget
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Oscar Wilde Irish Playwright (1854-1900)
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SRAO don't shoot the messenger, the lifts in the West stand are used by people in wheelchairs which in the guide these have to be catered for in special areas for them, there are platforms in the East stand at both ends, the guide does not mention areas for buggies or prams. It is not the clubs fault, but even at the COMS and OT you are not allowed to enter with a pram or buggy. Perhaps a buggy park might be the answer, but I would guess it would have to pay for itself so if a £1 charge was made I would reckon that 30 buggies would be the break even cost, so if there are 30 families out there they should petition the club to provide an area to park buggies with a steward watching over them.
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