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Sheldon wrote: I prefer
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” I wonder if the author of that quote is feeling quite so smug now?
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kirkstaller wrote: I wonder if the author of that quote is feeling quite so mug now? Eh? I can see past the small typo (mug = smug) but I haven't a clue what you mean.
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El Barbudo wrote: Eh?
I can see past the small typo (mug = smug) Thanks, I've edited it now. but I haven't a clue what you mean. That quote is attributed to a very famous enemy of God. That individual will recently have had to give an account of himself. He will have had to explain his blasphemy, drunkenness, homosexual flings etc. The Bible tells us that there is a Heaven and and Hell. I wonder which one he is in 
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Rooster Booster wrote: Do you think your post may offend some people? No, do you and if so, why?
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kirkstaller wrote: The Bible tells us that there is a Heaven and and Hell. I wonder which one he is in Neither. I hate to shatter your illusions but his remains are probably in a (or some) laboratory fridge, after he donated his body to medical science. As an antitheist, he believed in neither heaven nor hell
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan
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cod'ead wrote: Neither.
I hate to shatter your illusions but his remains are probably in a (or some) laboratory fridge, after he donated his body to medical science. As an antitheist, he believed in neither heaven nor hell Non-belief in something doesn't make it go away. If a judge sentences a man to death, is he saved if he doesn't believe in the electric chair? Of course not. Hell exists whether you believe in it or not. Sadly, I would guess that Hitchens is there right now.
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kirkstaller wrote: As for evidence, by the far most convincing is the daily spiritual relationship I have with Jesus. One person's fervent belief/delusion does not constitute evidence. There are people in mental hospitals the world over who believe that they are Napoleon/Elvis/Florence Nightingale just as strongly as you believe that Jesus exists. The strength of their belief does not prove to anyone other than themselves that what they're saying is true. kirkstaller wrote: Second is the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth. Let's assume for a second that there is conclusive proof of a man named Jesus who lived in Nazareth around 2,000 years ago, upon whose life/teachings the Christian religion is founded. No such proof exists, but I'm willing to overlook that fact for the sake of argument. Proof that Jesus the man existed still wouldn't be proof that he was the Son of God, that he performed any of his impressive parlour tricks, or that he was born of a virgin mother. It most certainly wouldn't prove the existence of God. Does the fact that we can prove L. Ron Hubbard's existence mean that Scientology is true? kirkstaller wrote: Third, the creation which surrounds us. What surrounds us has been shown by science not to have been created in anything like the way The Bible describes. Evolution, to take but one example, is a hard fact. All of the available evidence supports it. Man being created by God, on the other hand, is not supported by a single shred of evidence. Your Bible is so far wide of the mark, it even states that God separated the light and the dark before he made the objects that actually emit light.
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Christianity: because you're so awful you made God kill himself.
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kirkstaller wrote: Non-belief in something doesn't make it go away. Belief in something doesn't make it appear. kirkstaller wrote: Hell exists whether you believe in it or not. Hell does not exist, whether you believe in it or not. kirkstaller wrote: Sadly, I would guess that Hitchens is there right now. Sadly? If he has been such an 'enemy of God' surely Hell is the least he deserves?
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Christianity: because you're so awful you made God kill himself.
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kirkstaller wrote: I wonder if the author of that quote is feeling quite so smug now? I thought we ended our discussions when you admitted you weren't open to any debate? CH won't be smug, theres nothing left of him to be smug, he donated his body to science.
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