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nobody above the law?

If Lizzie had turned to her Lady in Waiting and asked for Pappa's old service revolver, before accurately shooting MacGuiness between the eyes, do we think there is the slightest chance of her appearing in the Old Bailey dock?

Boomshakalaka wrote:

nobody above the law?

If Lizzie had turned to her Lady in Waiting and asked for Pappa's old service revolver, before accurately shooting MacGuiness between the eyes, do we think there is the slightest chance of her appearing in the Old Bailey dock?

Possibly not, but it would probably have led to a constitutional crisis ultimately leading to the ending of constitutional monarchy and a republic taking its place.
I know to many that is almost the perfect definition of "2 birds with 1 stone" but I'm not sure it would be in the Queen's best interests and she doesn't appear particularly stupid to me.

No, but it's a lovely idea.

......Must say chaps, I'm loving the one-eyed, blinkered view of Irish history we've got on this thread.

To be fair, McGuiness has as much to be peeved about concerning recent history than the Queen or Prince Philip.....Don't forget that it was HER army that carried out innocent slaughter on Bloody Sunday....I don't think our boys were really heroes on that day, were they???

Despite what some of you think, I thought the actions of BOTH McGuiness and the Queen were commendable yesterday.....Whilst some of you seem to think the Queen should have had some murderous animosity towards McGuiness, I'll argue that he is equally as valid to feel the same.

Boomshakalaka wrote:

If Lizzie had turned to her Lady in Waiting and asked for Pappa's old service revolver, before accurately shooting MacGuiness between the eyes, do we think there is the slightest chance of her appearing in the Old Bailey dock?

Eh? Regina -v- Regina? How would that work then?

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

:lol: ......Must say chaps, I'm loving the one-eyed, blinkered view of Irish history we've got on this thread.

To be fair, McGuiness has as much to be peeved about concerning recent history than the Queen or Prince Philip.....Don't forget that it was HER army that carried out innocent slaughter on Bloody Sunday....I don't think our boys were really heroes on that day, were they???

Despite what some of you think, I thought the actions of BOTH McGuiness and the Queen were commendable yesterday.....Whilst some of you seem to think the Queen should have had some murderous animosity towards McGuiness, I'll argue that he is equally as valid to feel the same.

Don't think you could have The Crown vs The Crown in a court of Law.

I hope I never find myself "fighting" for a cause where I walk into someones house and shoot them infront of their kids while they beg for their lives. No matter what "side" I'm on.

I'm glad the terrorist scum have finally realised that they can actually achieve more by being part of the democratic process and I'm glad the UK government has realised treating Northern Irish Catholics like animals is wrong. It's a win-win.

Do I give a f*** about Martin McGuiness? No. A small man who crawled his way up the republican ladder over a pile of bodies (I really wouldn't want to argue with that little c*** about anything - even now). The Queen did what she's been trained for her whole life to do - shake hands and wave.

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BrisbaneRhino wrote:

A significant impetus for the ending of NI terrorism came with the change in attitude of the US. I visited New York several times when collecting for 'Noraid' was seen as a jolly thing to do, and the terrorist acts in NI/UK as remote and part of some worthy cause backed up by jolly sing-songs (albeit either with murderous lyrics or bemoaning some British atrocity from years before).

After Oklahoma and the first attacks on the World Trade Centre attitudes changed considerably as the reality of what people were actually supporting - i.e. real people being blown to pieces and maimed - started to hit home. 911 killed such fundraising stone dead and forced US politicians to stop being mealy-mouthed about terorism in all its guises.In any event, regardless of how odious an individual McGuinness or Adams may be, their role in enabling peace to hapen in NI has been huge. I'd far rather everyone buried the past - with as much gritting of teeth as is required - than have the previous 'situation' continue forever.

The Republican movement was moving trowards politics for a long time before these two events. The slogan the ballot box and the armalite was an indication of this. The election of Bobby Sands to parliament in 1981 was the catalyst for this change in policy. The fact that it took so long was due to two main reasons.
!/ The SF leadership knew they had to bring the majority of the provisionals with them otherwise there would have just been the same situation as the split between the Pira and Officials IRA in the 70s where the officials went political and everyone left them to join PIRA.

2/ it took a lot longer to convince the Loyalists to agree to power sharing
because they knew they would have to give up a lot more political and economic power than the nationalists.

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El Barbudo wrote:

Indeed, without the head-murderer agreeing that his organisation wouldn't murder any more, the murdering wouldn't stop.

Sorry, can't agree that McGuinness and Mandela were even similar.
Mandela was convicted of sabotage, he didn't randomly kill ordinary people and his struggle was against the apartheid regime to which the SA goverment were committed to continuing, whereas in NI, the deeply unjust electoral system was on its way out and Wilson was very sympathetic to achieving peace and equality.
These two situations were in no way comparable.

Ha ha. The ANC were a ruthless organisation and Mandela was the head of it. Necklacing was a regular form of dealing with dubious Africans and it was lot less civilised than kneecapping.
Umkhonto we sizwe were not a small prayer meeting preaching non violence
Whether Mandela was direvctly involved in their activities is irrelevant he was the spokesman and head of a terrorist organisation no different to McGuinness.

The situation in NI is directly comparable to Apartheid except it was less overt and presented more subtley. The situation in NI was not just a bit of vote rigging and Gerrymandered boundaries. It stopped catholics getting middle to senior jobs in the civil service and local government, proper housing and acess to resources. You could not get a job in the biggest employers in NI at Shorts or Harland and Wolf. Less money was spent on infrastructure and education. Look at Coleraine university built in a protestant area rather than in NIs second city Derry so that it could be a protestant university etc etc.

And as for your argumenta bout Wilson etc it is rubbish NO British government at the time was prepared to take on the Loyalists hence the success of the UWC strike.

Dont start rewriting history juts to excuse British actions.

It is always easier to support freedom fighters when they are not fighting against your country etc.