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I see the Press have decided on their scapegoat.
Didn't William Webb Ellis pick up the ball and run, someone should really tell Rugby Union.

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getdownmonkeyman wrote:
I see the Press have decided on their scapegoat.


Who? Ashley Young? Rooney?
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We should have been blaming the goalie for broadcasting that he had done his homework and allowing the Italians to all just go into the opposite corners.
Now what he should have done is anticipated that and done the double bluff. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I see that Ashley Young and Ashley Cole are getting racist abuse on Twitter. What is wrong with these pieces of scum who do things like this ?
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When you are faced with the pressure of Joe Hart pulling faces at you, pretty fkin cool response to be honest

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The gall to do that in a shootout is amazing and well done for doing it.
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England were bad at the world cup, didn't Capello say himself how shocked he was at the sudden weakness in mentality? But I don't think they were as bad as some people like to paint out in the match against Germany. I remember reading match reviews and so on a few days afterwards, a lot of the foreign journos weren't loaded with criticism like the English press, they actually shed a little pity on the no-goal and felt that would have swung things into England's favour. They were eventually picked off by a great German side (again, how good they were seemed to be ignored) and came up woefully short, but I am firmly of the belief that a Capello-managed England would have given Italy more of a game than England did. The result would most likely have been the same, but I think he would have tried to exploit Italy's weaknesses. However, I do believe if Fabio was in charge, there would have been much more pressure on the side, purely because the press didn't like him and criticised every single thing he done, even his English.


I agree, if it wasn't for Matthew Upson they weren't as bad collectively as people make out. That was possibly the worst half of international football I've ever seen from a centre half.

That's only for that 1 game though, for the rest of the tournament we were pretty much abject throughout the team.
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Roddy B wrote:
Who? Ashley Young? Rooney?


Rooney.
Didn't William Webb Ellis pick up the ball and run, someone should really tell Rugby Union.

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These past 12 months have seen Jack Wilshere's reputation soar and he hasn't even kicked a ball!!! Suddenly he's the man to help save English football.

I think he definitely does have the potential to be a really good player but he still has a lot to prove from what (admittedly little) I've seen of him to date. He's definitely an improvement on players of the style of Scott Parker though as he does look to have the ability to pass a ball forward rather than sideways or backwards.

I personally dont think the future is as bleak as some people are making out. The likes of Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Martin Kelly, Tom Cleverley, Daniel Sturridge, Jack Rodwell, Ross Barkley are all good footballers technically and can hopefully help us play a better, more attractive and maybe more successful brand of football. Maybe now is the time to bring them in like Germany did with their talented young players? Nothing really to lose have we as we do look to have a fairly straight-forward World Cup qualifying group.
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Roddy B wrote:
:lol: F*ck me, I never thought you'd come up with bile like that.


Where's the bile in that? The players came out in praise of Hodgson for him bringing the team together, including Gerard who appeared to have nothing but good words to say about Hodgson. I've had this conversation with another Liverpool mate of mine who can't get past himself for his vitriol about Hodgson. It tainted his view quite a bit but he wasn't so belligerent as to not acknowledge what things had been done better.

I'm not saying Hodgson did a brilliant job but he did as good as, if not bettter, than each of the four previous England managers. Who, let's not forget, had the resources of the golden generation. We are a top eight team in Europe, realistically not top four, so he achieved what was expected and yet we might even have sneaked into the semi-finals.
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Where's the bile in that? The players came out in praise of Hodgson for him bringing the team together, including Gerard who appeared to have nothing but good words to say about Hodgson. I've had this conversation with another Liverpool mate of mine who can't get past himself for his vitriol about Hodgson. It tainted his view quite a bit but he wasn't so belligerent as to not acknowledge what things had been done better.

I'm not saying Hodgson did a brilliant job but he did as good as, if not bettter, than each of the four previous England managers. Who, let's not forget, had the resources of the golden generation. We are a top eight team in Europe, realistically not top four, so he achieved what was expected and yet we might even have sneaked into the semi-finals.


How did he bring the team together, then? Matt Hughes from The Times got this pretty much spot on the other day when he said this:

Plus imp to remember that changes Hodgson lauded for - openness, city centre base, more relaxed atmosphere - were introduced by Capello.


It's not that I'm not interested in good words about Roy, it's that things like "he united the players" is tosh. Steven Gerrard sat next to him the other day in the post match presser and made him look daft. Roy was saying that possession doesn't matter, Gerrard said we need to keep the ball better as it puts more pressure on us. Is that togetherness? Gerrard could have backed his manager's every word, but he didn't. Why?

IMO, Roy had more 'benefits' than any of the previous managers over the past ten years or so. Every other manager had the task of fitting all of these 'world class' players into a squad and they had to play well. Roy's shocking tactics and football were completely ignored, if Capello or Sven went out like that they would have been hammered by all corners until they were sacked. As an example, people still criticise Capello for scraping through the Slovenia game in 2010, yet not one person has criticised Roy for scraping through games against Sweden and Ukraine. You yourself are trying to claim that he's done better than any of the previous four England managers. He done the same, if not worse than others. England always go out against the first decent side they meet: Italy, Germany, Portugal and Brazil being the past four sides to knock them out, so Roy didn't exceed anybody there, whilst he went out in the first KO round, something achieved at the last visit to the Euros and something surpassed at the 2006 world cup.

I really couldn't care less about Roy, he's a nobody who'll only ever be remembered as Liverpool's worst manager in over fifty years. What I can't stand, though, is people trying to glorify Roy and make him out to be something he isn't, especially when some of the same people criticised Capello endlessly for poor performances. England never show any ambition, any signs or quality or any signs that they were being well-managed, but all of this has been largely ignored. The squad Roy picked was at an all-time low technically, the statistics speak for themselves with regards to passing and possession, yet it will all conveniently be ignored. Why?
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