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Wilbred T Pricklepop wrote:

:roll: It's the same point again. We could practice for 5 hours and germany practice for 1. They would still beat us on penalties.

Pressure.

Are Germans not subjected to pressure?
Surely their technique is better?

Stand-Offish wrote:

I know what you are saying.
And yes it's not an exact science, so it's heavily subjected to human error.
So why do you think we have such an appalling record?
I think it's attitude personally.
Loser lose, winners win.
We are losers.

It's mental.

All the losses have come in such a short space of time as well which doesn't help, if it was 50 years ago no one would care. But pretty much all but one have been in the last 16 years.

Wilbred T Pricklepop wrote:

It's mental.

All the losses have come in such a short space of time as well which doesn't help, if it was 50 years ago no one would care. But pretty much all but one have been in the last 16 years.

It's lack of good technique.
All countries are subject to the same mental pressure.
In my humble opinion.
Although I will concede that our failures heap more pressure on us.
And if that is what you are saying, fair enough.

Stand-Offish wrote:

It's lack of good technique.
All countries are subject to the same mental pressure.
In my humble opinion.
Although I will concede that our failures heap more pressure on us.
And if that is what you are saying, fair enough.

The reason i don't agree with technique is because:

david beckham (o4)
stuart pearce (90)
ashley cole (12)
lampard (06)
gerrard (06)
young (12)

All players with good technique. All have missed penalties in shootouts for england.

Watch next season, stick young in a man united shirt and watch if he ever takes a penalty. Chances are he'll show good technique and score.

whatever it's down to, we're sh*t at them.

Do you think it was pressure that forced Ashley Cole to shoot on target? Or good goalkeeping from Buffon to read the penalty. Essentially, only two penalty takers missed the target, the difference was that Buffon is a better 'keeper than Hart.

I get what people mean by pressure, and I'd believe in it more if every player missed the target or slipped on their a*se, but if every player hits the target, then it comes down to the goalkeepers to stop them. Hart didn't stop one. Buffon did.

As long as English football takes the attitude that penalties are a lottery, and losing on them is simply down to bad luck - England will continue to lose on them.

Asim wrote:

As long as English football takes the attitude that penalties are a lottery, and losing on them is simply down to bad luck - England will continue to lose on them.

Regarding them as a lottery would be an improvement. I think we've been conditioned into believing that when it comes to penalties England will lose. Cole coped well enough with the pressure of taking a penalty in a Champions League final but looked incredibly nervous yesterday.

The much bigger problem that the FA needs to look at is why England arrived at the Euros with so few players of genuine international class.

[John_D]

Asim wrote:

As long as English football takes the attitude that penalties are a lottery, and losing on them is simply down to bad luck - England will continue to lose on them.

Someone - name escapes me for the minute - wrote a whole book about why the Dutch will not succeed at penalties until they change their entire attitude to them. Illuminating reading.

Simply writing it off as bad luck or a lottery minimises the issue at hand and provides an easy get-out for serial failings in a valid part of tournament football, glossing over the issue at hand.

Asim wrote:

As long as English football takes the attitude that penalties are a lottery, and losing on them is simply down to bad luck - England will continue to lose on them.

My point entirely.
And as others have said it's not just down to the penalty takers, it is more to do with the goalkeeper.
I feel that the goalkeeper should wait and see where the ball is going before guessing.
Others will argue that he has to dive otherwise he doesn't have the time to get there.
Me, I think it doesn't make sense diving out of the way of the ball.
And we seem to have a great knack of doing it.
I remember Shilton getting every single one wrong not so many years ago. He made himself look like a chump.
He could have saved a couple by just standing there.
Of course you have to look as though you are going to dive otherwise it makes it too easy for the penalty takers.