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Cibaman wrote:

I can see the argument that FAs have limited direct control over their fans, particularly in matches played abroad. But these countries have "previous" for tolerating racism and will never take serious action to sort out the problem until they're made to.

Exactly. We're talking about a culture change and when you consider the amount of effort FIFA have made to include less developed countries in events then the lack of conviction within FIFA and UEFA to address the more pressing matter of racism itself looks even worse. If the FAs are doing nothing about it then you can't expect the fans to change because the clubs won't disturb things until they have to. It's basic business theory, change doesn't come if those at the top don't buy into it and a £25k fine is not buying into fighting racism, it's slapped wrists appeasement.

I seem to have the impression that FIFA don't deem it their responsibility to be the catalyst for change. It seems they have this view that racism is a problem in society, not football, so the action they take is very much representative of that. IMO, FIFA could have more influence, but they either can't be bothered, don't have the balls or don't think they're capable. I think it's a combination of all three, really, but they answer to nobody, it seems.

andym1988 wrote:

Newcastle's bid for Debuchy knocked back. £4m does seem very low TBH. Hopefully a solution can be agreed.

Meanwhile, SSN reporting Twente want £15 for Luuk De Jong, which will probably finish our interest. Apparently an £8m bid had been made, can't see them nearly doubling it unless Ba leaves.

We need to keep Cisse and Ba as well as adding. Selling Ba and bringing in a like-for-like replacement will still leave us terribly short for competing in four competitions.

Who is doing the recruitment at Newcastle? Is it Pardew or do they have a DOF type? Whoever is responsible is doing a sensational job.

Ordsall Quays Red wrote:

Brilliant.
I'm no huge fan of Welbeck but he is a far far better all-round footballer than Defoe is, has been or ever will be.

Saddened! wrote:

Who is doing the recruitment at Newcastle? Is it Pardew or do they have a DOF type? Whoever is responsible is doing a sensational job.

Gary Carr is the head scout there, Alan Carr's dad. I believe he is the main man behind their transfer success.

Mark wrote:

Awesome.

Yep, my thoughts exactly, but thats United fans for you.

Lord Tony Smith wrote:

Gary Carr is the head scout there, Alan Carr's dad. I believe he is the main man behind their transfer success.

Watched him (Graham?) play for Bradford Park Avenue in the 60's. He was, to put it politely, an uncomplicated player. Not someone I would ever have expected to succeed in the way he has done.

England's tactics tonight appear to be hoping to bore the opposition to defeat.

Not bad topping the group with an average midfield

21 unbeaten my fat Yorkshire booty

England doubting nob heads, it's your country

Just seen the replay...the Ukrainian was clearly offside for the 'goal' that was cleared off the line.