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Post Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:51 pm
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One point has been overlooked, Tommy's , DEFENCE, we are going to miss that no matter what.
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Post Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:52 pm
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inside_man wrote:
Deacon? Are we being serious? It isn't like we've lost two or three of our pivots, we've lost 1. There's more than enough experience still there in Finch to enable Mellor or another young HB to take this opportunity.

It's unfortunate, yes. But it's not panic mode, we were planning to rotate over the next few weeks anyway, chance for someone to step up.


If Mellor was seen as good enough he wouldn't have been sent to Widnes on a full season loan. He would have been given opportunities to impress for a new contract. If he was in our plans I'm sure we'd either have signed him up by now or give him more opps in the first team like we've seen with other youngsters like Logan, Crosby, Spencer etc. After that Powell is currently injured and not played 1st grade rugby.
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Post Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:53 pm
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I'd rather see Williams or Hampshire than Mellor don't thinks he's mentally a Wigan player from what I've seen of him. Throw a youngster in vs Widnes and Bradford while we look at options.
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Denis Betts was an outstanding player (I don't get how anyone could think otherwise unless they only saw him later in his career when he had slowed down a bit) - similar to Joel Tomkins but better, fast and strong and hard.

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Betts was World class as a second rower. He had speed and strength to burn. It's no coincidence that he was around when we won the 8. He won the Lance Todd and Man of steel for Gods sake ! I'm hard pushed to name an Ozzie that would have been better.

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Similar to Hoffman but better. All round complete SR forward. Anyone who says otherwise couldn't have possibly seen him play.

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Denis Betts was possibly the most complete second rower I have ever seen! Never hit the heights as much in his second stint but was still probably the best SR in super league when he came back frrom Auckland
Post Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:57 pm
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Have people forgotten deacon from last season? Poor in defence that was masked by an inexperienced joel charnley partnership and regularly making poor offensive decisions. Massive step back for me.
Post Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:01 pm
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the wrestler wrote:
Have people forgotten deacon from last season? Poor in defence that was masked by an inexperienced joel charnley partnership and regularly making poor offensive decisions. Massive step back for me.


Every option from Chase, Smith, Mellor to Lockers is a step down from Tommy.
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Post Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:12 pm
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sergeant pepper wrote:
If Mellor was seen as good enough he wouldn't have been sent to Widnes on a full season loan. He would have been given opportunities to impress for a new contract. If he was in our plans I'm sure we'd either have signed him up by now or give him more opps in the first team like we've seen with other youngsters like Logan, Crosby, Spencer etc. After that Powell is currently injured and not played 1st grade rugby.


I don't think Mellor is likely to make it at Wigan but the reason he's out on loan at Widnes is not because he's not as good as the other young players at Wigan, it's because he needs first team rugby and is good enough to play in Super League regularly.

What would be the point in keeping him in the under 20's every week or sending him back to the Championship on dual registration? He's been there and done very well and was ready for the next step up.

The reason Logan Tomkins, Crosby and Spencer are still at the club is more likely to be because no team was interested in taking them out on loan.
Post Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:14 pm
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If we went down a temporary Aussie option would you take Matt Orford on a short contract?? Not got a club ATM but he did only manage 6 games last year so wouldn't be too sure on his fitness
exiled Warrior wrote:
Denis Betts was an outstanding player (I don't get how anyone could think otherwise unless they only saw him later in his career when he had slowed down a bit) - similar to Joel Tomkins but better, fast and strong and hard.

moonlight flit wrote:
Betts was World class as a second rower. He had speed and strength to burn. It's no coincidence that he was around when we won the 8. He won the Lance Todd and Man of steel for Gods sake ! I'm hard pushed to name an Ozzie that would have been better.

Last Son of Wigan wrote:
Similar to Hoffman but better. All round complete SR forward. Anyone who says otherwise couldn't have possibly seen him play.

gerr'emonside wrote:
Denis Betts was possibly the most complete second rower I have ever seen! Never hit the heights as much in his second stint but was still probably the best SR in super league when he came back frrom Auckland
Post Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:19 pm
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Cherry.Pie wrote:
I don't think Mellor is likely to make it at Wigan but the reason he's out on loan at Widnes is not because he's not as good as the other young players at Wigan, it's because he needs first team rugby and is good enough to play in Super League regularly.

What would be the point in keeping him in the under 20's every week or sending him back to the Championship on dual registration? He's been there and done very well and was ready for the next step up.

The reason Logan Tomkins, Crosby and Spencer are still at the club is more likely to be because no team was interested in taking them out on loan.


I think that if Mellor was considered good enough to be kept at Wigan past this season he'd have had more game time than he already has.

If he was in Wane's plans and good enough for the first team he'd have benched a lot more than he has. If we can afford Logan on the bench then we could have afforded Mellor on there a lot more as well.
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Post Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:22 pm
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Are these suggestions of signing out of contract Aussies or bringing back Paul Deacon some sort of in joke?

Is that how clubs are supposed to deal with injuries? Sign overseas players who haven't played in ages and weren't even good the last time they were in this country or bring back a player who was on his last legs before he even started his final season?
Post Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:24 pm
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sergeant pepper wrote:
I think that if Mellor was considered good enough to be kept at Wigan past this season he'd have had more game time than he already has.

If he was in Wane's plans and good enough for the first team he'd have benched a lot more than he has. If we can afford Logan on the bench then we could have afforded Mellor on there a lot more as well.


Except he wouldn't be playing in the first team regularly if he was here would he? The reason Mellor wasn't an option on the bench is because Wane made it pretty clear right from the start that having four forwards on the bench was how he wanted to go.

The only reason Logan Tomkins has made the bench is because of injuries. He's not getting regular first team rugby whereas that was something that Mellor really needed.

The idea of sending Mellor out on loan is to allow him time to prove that he's good enough to play regularly in Super League because he was never going to oust Leuluai or Finch and was only ever going to get a few starts off the bench had he stayed at Wigan.
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