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Re: Cladding

Post Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:47 pm
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D.D. wrote:
Usual pacifists. McClennan would have a poop haircut for the rest of his days to save the trouble of telling his hairdresser he wanted to change it 15 years ago. ;)

The questions are thus:-

1) If you were to receive a new ground in 2012 would you expect it to be fully protected from the elements in both your seats and on the concourse? If not, why not?

2) If your chairman said that you would be getting said cladding six weeks after fans expressed reservations then would you expect it a) to happen or b) when it doesn't happen, get an explanation why/ If not, why not?

There are too many of our supporters who are too happy to settle for second best. They think that being runners-up is acceptable and they think that accepting a ground that has been shockingly designed is acceptable on the basis that is better than Mount Pleasant. Well it isn't. The designers have ballsed up and that is a cast iron fact. If you want to settle for a shoddily designed affair without question after all these years then that says everything about your weak personalities.


Get out the wrong side of bed today did we sir?

Re: Cladding

Post Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:02 pm
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steve wrote:
Agreed - all I am arguing is that we as supporters have not actually paid anything towards the building of the stadium and whilst it may not be to yours or DD or some of the others on here liking you actually havent actually put any of the money up so have little recouse if it doesnt fit your utopian dream. And from where I sit its a damn site better than we have ever had and I am yet to get wet (I sit in the North Stand Block C).



Supporters do have one recouse and those investors, sponsors, sky and shareholders would be less than happy with club management if supporters took the option of not being customers in the following years.

In the end this debated will be solved by simple footfall. If footfall next year stays the same then we can assume that those anti-cladding are correct and it makes little difference to the paying customer.

If footfall falls away then we can assume those pro-cladding were correct and to have the stadium fully fitted for UK weather would have been a wise option.

The only issue is the risk factor, that we have no idea how big or small this is in terms of fans, and we have no idea if it is a negative experience whether fixing it will have an impact as once bitten twice shy.

First impressions are everything and if the extra 4 thousand season ticket holders are those fans who stayed away from KR because the facilities were not up to scratch, but bought at LP based on an assumption about facilities if those expectations are not met then they may not bother again.

In the end it's about opinion and although your opinion is that the finish looks good and the weather in the UK does not require cladding then that's fair enough, but the counter is also valid as each person will have a different experience based on their own expectations and experiences.

Re: Cladding

Post Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:17 pm
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Bump in the hope Mcmanus reads RL Fans :WHISTLE:
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Re: Cladding

Post Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:58 pm
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Rommel wrote:
Bump in the hope Mcmanus reads RL Fans :WHISTLE:




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Re: Cladding

Post Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:20 pm
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McClennan wrote:
Get out the wrong side of bed today did we sir?


he got out of the wrong side of life fella ;)
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Re: Cladding

Post Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:45 am
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Re: Cladding

Post Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:03 am
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The Yellow Giraffe wrote:
http://www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/2070

Interesting.

A statement just before the fans forum at which McManus will be present. Not that I'm a cynic or anything but the timing is somewhat neat.

Also, there is no commitment on when or if the cladding will be done, just a brief reference to the off-season, which we had all guessed anyway.
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Re: Cladding

Post Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:04 am
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That is an interesting statement.

Naming shaming and threatening legal action.

Im not sure Id have been so gung ho.

Nothing will happen this season.

Re: Cladding

Post Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:03 am
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The Yellow Giraffe wrote:
http://www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/2070


Thanks Saints thats all us fans wanted was an update?
Ahh Tesco
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Destroying Wigans past

"Viva Ben Flower, Viva Ben Flower, could have won the cup but you Messed it up Viva Ben Flower"

Re: Cladding

Post Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:43 am
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SaintsFan wrote:
Also, there is no commitment on when or if the cladding will be done, just a brief reference to the off-season, which we had all guessed anyway.

"the Club will invest further in the necessary cladding in order to protect fans from the elements to the extent necessary and practical. This is the case even though the projected cost is likely to be materially higher than first advised. This will now have to go ahead in the close season"

That sounds to me like a pretty solid confirmation that the cladding will go up and will go up in the off season. Beyond providing precise dates I don't really see what more you can expect at this stage. What seems to have been left deliberately ambiguous, however, is what the extent and nature of the cladding coverage will be.
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