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Posted by Sir Kevin Sinfield on Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:41 am
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Him wrote:
Actually the NZ Warriors get regular consecutive home or away games. It’s not quite in blocks but there are 4 or 5 times in a season where they have either a home game followed by a home game or an away game followed by an away game.

The flatcappers won’t like this comment, they think Toronto should be made to alternate between home and away every week with as many 4 day turnarounds as possible.
Posted by wrencat1873 on Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:52 am
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Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:
The flatcappers won’t like this comment, they think Toronto should be made to alternate between home and away every week with as many 4 day turnarounds as possible.


What it should be is well planned, thought through and agreed by the governing body, in advance.
The current spat between Noble (TWP) and The RFL should never have been possible.
All parties knew that TWP would be challenging at the top of the Championship and therefore, likey be involved in the play offs, it really shouldn't be that difficult to have the format laid out in advance, should it ? a poor effort on both sides.
Posted by tristram on Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:07 am
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Distance makes you feel tired but it is crossing timezones that foo bars your body clock. Sydney to NZ is 2 hours (equivalent to London to Athens), Toronto to London is 5 hours. Big difference. (P.S. I’ve done a fair bit of long haul and, e.g. the 7 hour five sector trip to Chicago had a worse effect than the 11 hour one sector trip to Johannesburg)
Posted by Asgardian13 on Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:16 am
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Alan Cargill wrote:
Hang on, thought SL needed Bradford? is that as well as Toronto or them instead of Bradford? i lose track on who 'we need'



Well, we're certainly missing Bradford in terms of attendances. This may not exactly mean that we 'need' them, but finances would be boosted if they were in SL with a competitive side.
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Posted by wrencat1873 on Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:21 am
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Well, we're certainly missing Bradford in terms of attendances. This may not exactly mean that we 'need' them, but finances would be boosted if they were in SL with a competitive side.


This cant be true as away fans are no longer deemed important, hence the clamour to include TWP in SL
Posted by reffy on Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:26 am
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tristram wrote:
Distance makes you feel tired but it is crossing timezones that foo bars your body clock. Sydney to NZ is 2 hours (equivalent to London to Athens), Toronto to London is 5 hours. Big difference. (P.S. I’ve done a fair bit of long haul and, e.g. the 7 hour five sector trip to Chicago had a worse effect than the 11 hour one sector trip to Johannesburg)


Actually London to Athens is almost twice the time that you quote.
Posted by Call Me God on Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:41 am
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wrencat1873 wrote:
The current spat between Noble (TWP) and The RFL should never have been possible.

100% spot on. Argyle wanted to play with our ball and as such, our rules.
£300,000? so flipping what......he's minted isn't he?
Next year it should be 3 away games, followed by 2 home then alternate weeks after that.......if they don't like it, then they can feck off!

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This cant be true as away fans are no longer deemed important, hence the clamour to include TWP in SL

Away fans don't make a major fiscal contribution to the turnover of a SL club. This is a mathematical fact, not an opinion......an opinion would be that away fans create a better atmosphere, which may in some cases be true.....I am really looking forward to Trailfinders this week for the visit of Leeds......it should be a cracking atmosphere, but the extra £20,000 on the gate matters little to David Hughes.
Toronto replacing Widnes will cost SL clubs about an average of £8,000 each next year.......if they replace Salford it'll be about £5,000 each.....
JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:
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100% spot on. Argyle wanted to play with our ball and as such, our rules.
£300,000? so flipping what......he's minted isn't he?
Next year it should be 3 away games, followed by 2 home then alternate weeks after that.......if they don't like it, then they can feck off!

Away fans don't make a major fiscal contribution to the turnover of a SL club. This is a mathematical fact, not an opinion......an opinion would be that away fans create a better atmosphere, which may in some cases be true.....I am really looking forward to Trailfinders this week for the visit of Leeds......it should be a cracking atmosphere, but the extra £20,000 on the gate matters little to David Hughes.
Toronto replacing Widnes will cost SL clubs about an average of £8,000 each next year.......if they replace Salford it'll be about £5,000 each.....


The comment was tongue in cheek concerning SL "needing" a resurgent Bradford side, who will themselves very likely be challenging in the top 4 of The Championship next season.

Btw, I think that you may have done the away fans calculation to death, it's like having the wife going on and on about something you already know.
Posted by Mr Dog on Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:03 am
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You just need to look at how they package the whole gameday experience. Take a look at their social media channels and see just how they build their home games into an event that people want to be at. Whether that's with the beer tents, the after-parties, the way they engage with venues around the city to create a buzz. It's all there. And that isn't just me looking at it through the lens of online - it's coming first hand from people who have been there.

As for the media profile, they have a weekly slot on one of the major sports talk radio stations and there has been more written about Toronto in the media than all of the Championship clubs, and most SL clubs combined. They're a positive story, and RL sorely needs positive stories right now. Tell me, how many RL clubs were the focus of a column in The Guardian this week? On Saturday, there will be three games back-to-back on Sky Sports. That wouldn't be happening without expansion clubs.

Seriously, what more do you want them "to bring"? If we were talking about a heartland club here, people would be waxing lyrical about how all clubs should be doing this. But because there's a body of water between them and their nearest club, they're a threat to certain clubs and so nothing that they achieve will ever be enough in the eyes of many on here.


So they've reached the equivalent interest of the same broadsheet as Batley and Dewsbury did a few weeks ago https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/ ... ocal-derby
Posted by Judder Man on Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:15 am
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Him wrote:
Actually the NZ Warriors get regular consecutive home or away games. It’s not quite in blocks but there are 4 or 5 times in a season where they have either a home game followed by a home game or an away game followed by an away game.


That would be the better compromise but to offer them blocks of 4-6 games on a home/away basis is just not acceptable in a sport at top tier level, they might have done it at championship level but to mess up scheduling at super league level to accommodate one team is not on.

One of the biggest problems would be the semi final and final of the challenge cup, if teams still in that comp have to travel to Toronto in between those two games its going to mess up pre and post preparations and be a big disadvantage.

As for incurring extra costs, thats the individual clubs problem and shouldn't be a factor for consideration by the RFL.
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