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Re: Loop fixtures
Post Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:16 pm
Posted by dboy on Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:16 pm
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I haven't argued otherwise. I have pointed out that we already have them and that they have an affect on the marketability of the club/games.

I believe Michael Carter when he says this, despite agreeing with much of your post - I would go to watch Wakey if they announced a game tomorrow, at midnight, in Bristol.

OK, maybe not Bristol, but you get the idea.

Unfortunately, the game does not have enough tragics' like me (and probably most on here), to sustain an unpredictable structure.
Re: Loop fixtures
Post Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:34 pm
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dboy wrote:
Unfortunately, the game does not have enough tragics' like me (and probably most on here), to sustain an unpredictable structure.

If we are a dying breed, then switching the system is akin to swapping deckchairs on the Titanic. Wringing more cash out of a shrinking fan base is never going to be the answer......
....I am aware that Turkeys don't often vote for Christmas, but I genuinely see a need for a 14 side competition, with 13 home games and a top 5 play-off as being the best way to give clubs stability and a pathway to improve. Getting the SL chairmen to take the hit o their SKY income would be the initial problem, but if a club needs 150,000 fans through the doors to function, then they at least know that 11,500 is the average attendance they need to achieve, but with the threat of relegation, not many clubs will spend their money o anything else other than survival, so Licencing raises its head again.....we are in a cycle of half baked changes with nothing ever given time to bed in and as soon as the SL Chairman realise that Leeds v Wigan 4 times a year isn't the silver bullet, they'll be back to change it all again. :roll:
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£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:
Re: Loop fixtures
Post Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:20 pm
Posted by Mr Dog on Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:20 pm
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Cup & play-offs don't equal 25% of the league fixture list!

That's 25% of your saleble product whic is unknown until 2 weeks before it happens.


Excuses for laziness and incompetence, and only the first game is 2 weeks after the fixtures are announced.

Lenagan's latest blames everyone but himself and it would be a gross understatement to say that he 'bends the truth' with his selective use of statistics.
Re: Loop fixtures
Post Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:25 pm
Posted by dboy on Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:25 pm
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Excuses for laziness and incompetence, and only the first game is 2 weeks after the fixtures are announced.

Lenagan's latest blames everyone but himself and it would be a gross understatement to say that he 'bends the truth' with his selective use of statistics.


No-one can seriously call Michael Carter lazy or incompetent.

I agree about Lenagan though.

He says the game hasn't developed for a decade, but fails to acknowledge that he has been one of those with a controlling influence in the game, throughout that period.

If the game has stagnated, it's at least partly down to him!
Re: Loop fixtures
Post Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:38 pm
Posted by ThePrinter on Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:38 pm
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dboy wrote:
Cup & play-offs don't equal 25% of the league fixture list!

That's 25% of your saleble product whic is unknown until 2 weeks before it happens.


No it's not. A team's first home game of the 8's might only have 2 weeks to sell but the other home games have longer upwards to potentially 8 weeks.

8's fixtures announced 1st August, last home fixture for clubs either 7 or 8 weeks later. So only one fixture falls under the 2 weeks to sell criticism, not 25% of games.
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Re: Loop fixtures
Post Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:41 pm
Posted by dboy on Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:41 pm
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Ok, 25% of the fixtures are not known as the season launch.

Happy now?

The point stands - certainty and stability is needed.

That in itself is not the answer to the games issues though.
Re: Loop fixtures
Post Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:43 pm
Posted by bramleyrhino on Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:43 pm
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dboy wrote:
We have loop fixtures now. The problem is that they are unknown until July, so affecting clubs finances - how can you market or sell hospitality for an fixture list you don't know.

One element of the proposed new structure, is to know what the loop fixtures are at the season launch.


Nonsense. Between the announcement of the 'split' fixtures, clubs will have anywhere between eight and eighteen days till their first home game. Any club that says that they cannot possibly market an event in 8-18 days is, quite frankly, pathetic and deserves every financial difficulty that comes their way.
I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls


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Re: Loop fixtures
Post Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:46 pm
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Mr Dog wrote:
Lenagan's latest blames everyone but himself and it would be a gross understatement to say that he 'bends the truth' with his selective use of statistics.


Agreed. This is the same Lenagan who took a Super League game to Millwall the other season but took a Super 8's game and only announced it at the end of July for a fixture taking place 6 weeks later.

Could've easily taken a regular season game there in May/June and had 6 months to sell it. He's hardly in a position to criticise planning of short notice fixtures.
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Re: Loop fixtures
Post Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:47 pm
Posted by dboy on Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:47 pm
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bramleyrhino wrote:
Nonsense. Between the announcement of the 'split' fixtures, clubs will have anywhere between eight and eighteen days till their first home game. Any club that says that they cannot possibly market an event in 8-18 days is, quite frankly, pathetic and deserves every financial difficulty that comes their way.


It's the 11 SL chairmen you are calling out.

It is they who are saying this.

You think you know better than them?

Or are they simply lying about it, with an ulterior motive?
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bramleyrhino wrote:
Nonsense. Between the announcement of the 'split' fixtures, clubs will have anywhere between eight and eighteen days till their first home game. Any club that says that they cannot possibly market an event in 8-18 days is, quite frankly, pathetic and deserves every financial difficulty that comes their way.

spot on!
Wigan have 4 home games to boost their income after the 11 regular season games. The plan of how and when to market these games should have been laid back in February if not earlier.....4 EVENT games with themes.....tickets sold to their loyal home fans months in advance. The idea that they waited until August 1st before doing anything is absurd
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£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:
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