Try or No Try? : Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:10 pm  

In the Fax game this last weekend, a try/no try scenario occurred that I'm sure has happened before, but I can't remember the outcome.

The play finished just in front of me, and tbh I probably had a better initial view of it than any of the officials had on the field. It was the last tackle, and the ball was grounded by the attacking player an inch or two short of the whitewash. There was no secondary motion, just a natural rolling forward of the ball onto the whitewash, but the decision was "no try".

My take on the rules are that it should have been either a try or a penalty (depending on whether the referee thought that the player had made a second movement)? The referee had moved round behind the play by the time it was on the whitewash, so he couldn't (?) have thought it was short of the line.

Anyone have an interpretation of the rules that might explain why it was just a changeover rather than a try or penalty?

Re: Try or No Try? : Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:44 pm  

HXSparky wrote:

In the Fax game this last weekend, a try/no try scenario occurred that I'm sure has happened before, but I can't remember the outcome.

The play finished just in front of me, and tbh I probably had a better initial view of it than any of the officials had on the field. It was the last tackle, and the ball was grounded by the attacking player an inch or two short of the whitewash. There was no secondary motion, just a natural rolling forward of the ball onto the whitewash, but the decision was "no try".

My take on the rules are that it should have been either a try or a penalty (depending on whether the referee thought that the player had made a second movement)? The referee had moved round behind the play by the time it was on the whitewash, so he couldn't (?) have thought it was short of the line.

Anyone have an interpretation of the rules that might explain why it was just a changeover rather than a try or penalty?

First of all,why did he give no try when he saw the ball on the line?

Re: Try or No Try? : Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:52 pm  

Cokey wrote:

First of all,why did he give no try when he saw the ball on the line?

The play was directly in front of me, but the ref possibly wasn't in the best position when the ball was grounded. If it's a mistake on the ref's part I'm Ok with that (but shows why we need goal line officials in all games!) but was curious what the rules say in this scenario?

Re: Try or No Try? : Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:08 pm  

HXSparky wrote:

The play was directly in front of me, but the ref possibly wasn't in the best position when the ball was grounded. If it's a mistake on the ref's part I'm Ok with that (but shows why we need goal line officials in all games!) but was curious what the rules say in this scenario?

Did the ref give a signal as to why he disallowed it?

Re: Try or No Try? : Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:41 am  

If it happened the way you describe it then its a try. Was is quite obviously on the line, or could it have been just short when the ref got in for a closer look?

It was perhaps just deemed to be a double movement. On the last tackle I dont think many refs would penalise it. They would just deem the play dead when the ball carrying arm goes down.

Re: Try or No Try? : Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:57 am  

HXSparky wrote:

In the Fax game this last weekend, a try/no try scenario occurred that I'm sure has happened before, but I can't remember the outcome.

The play finished just in front of me, and tbh I probably had a better initial view of it than any of the officials had on the field. It was the last tackle, and the ball was grounded by the attacking player an inch or two short of the whitewash. There was no secondary motion, just a natural rolling forward of the ball onto the whitewash, but the decision was "no try".

My take on the rules are that it should have been either a try or a penalty (depending on whether the referee thought that the player had made a second movement)? The referee had moved round behind the play by the time it was on the whitewash, so he couldn't (?) have thought it was short of the line.

Anyone have an interpretation of the rules that might explain why it was just a changeover rather than a try or penalty?

If the ref gave it as a knock on by the attacking side, then play would resume with a handover as you said it was the last tackle play.

Re: Try or No Try? : Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:28 pm  

It was on 51:40 into this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Ouujun2Yg The ref gave it as a knock-on, but he wasn't in the best position to see what happened. I was directly in line with the play and there was no knock-on from what I could see. Anyway, having seen the video now, at least I know why it was disallowed, even if I don't agree!

It was on 51:40 into this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Ouujun2Yg The ref gave it as a knock-on, but he wasn't in the best position to see what happened. I was directly in line with the play and there was no knock-on from what I could see. Anyway, having seen the video now, at least I know why it was disallowed, even if I don't agree!

Re: Try or No Try? : Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:45 pm  

HXSparky wrote: It was on 51:40 into this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Ouujun2Yg The ref gave it as a knock-on, but he wasn't in the best position to see what happened. I was directly in line with the play and there was no knock-on from what I could see. Anyway, having seen the video now, at least I know why it was disallowed, even if I don't agree! I agree with you, however, the commentator did say the ref looked at his touch judge and gave a knock on, so it seems the decision came from him. After saying that, You was probably in the best position to judge it,but like you say,if he gave a knock on, then a turn over was the correct restart.

HXSparky wrote: It was on 51:40 into this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Ouujun2Yg The ref gave it as a knock-on, but he wasn't in the best position to see what happened. I was directly in line with the play and there was no knock-on from what I could see. Anyway, having seen the video now, at least I know why it was disallowed, even if I don't agree! I agree with you, however, the commentator did say the ref looked at his touch judge and gave a knock on, so it seems the decision came from him. After saying that, You was probably in the best position to judge it,but like you say,if he gave a knock on, then a turn over was the correct restart.