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Re: England RLWC 2017 games switched to BBC 2? : Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:58 pm  
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What was the attendance? I watched a little bit of the HSBC Dubai sevens last week, there looked less than 100 people at that major global sporting event.


It’s always around the 25k to 35k Mark. To be fair though, Army v Navy gets around 60-70k so maybe the bbc should show that. As another comparison the RL navy v army gets about 1.2k

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Re: England RLWC 2017 games switched to BBC 2? : Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:15 pm  
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Was it a good standard? I know for current universities they're nowhere near the best. Leeds Met and Northumbria dominate the Northern Premier League and country at BUCS level, with Loughborough and Uni of Gloucester being the best of the Southern Premier League.


Pretty decent, probably next step down from that. Unfortunately in recentyears Cambridge have struggled somewhat
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£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:

Re: England RLWC 2017 games switched to BBC 2? : Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:53 pm  
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What was the attendance?

25,133.

Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:
I watched a little bit of the HSBC Dubai sevens last week, there looked less than 100 people at that major global sporting event.

Couple of things here.
First up, why watch a sport you evidently don't like and secondly, having attended numerous HSBC 7's events around the world I can confirm that there is very little "spectating" going on, but rather a lot of Drinking on the concourses......as I am sure was the case at the aptly named SEVENS STADIUM in Dubai....
I might be wrong, but I believe that whilst it isn't a major event, it is actually a global one that sees UAE, South Africa, 'stralya, New Zealand, USA, Canada, Hong Kong, Singapore, England and France all host weekends......if I a wrong and you are actually a big fan of the game (why else would you have watched it?) then I can highly recommend the Las Vegas event which is in March next year....but be quick because it regularly gets 80k crowds.
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Re: England RLWC 2017 games switched to BBC 2? : Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:47 pm  
Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:
What was the attendance? I watched a little bit of the HSBC Dubai sevens last week, there looked less than 100 people at that major global sporting event.

It was around 25k last year, 26 in 2012. Tbh the varsity attendances have dropped considerably since their heyday in the 90's when they used to get 60k regularly watching.
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Re: England RLWC 2017 games switched to BBC 2? : Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:49 pm  
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25,133.

Couple of things here.
First up, why watch a sport you evidently don't like and secondly, having attended numerous HSBC 7's events around the world I can confirm that there is very little "spectating" going on, but rather a lot of Drinking on the concourses......as I am sure was the case at the aptly named SEVENS STADIUM in Dubai....

I quite like watching 7’s thanks very much, when did I say otherwise?

I was just commenting that there looked less than 100 people in the crowd, just big empty stands, the kind of sight some RLfans members would wet their pants over if it was an RL event and claim it would never happen in union.

No idea what the stadiums called but there were lots of HSBC and Fly Emirates adverts, didn’t notice any others. I don’t think anyone was on the concourse either.
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Re: England RLWC 2017 games switched to BBC 2? : Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:52 pm  
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It’s always around the 25k to 35k Mark. To be fair though, Army v Navy gets around 60-70k so maybe the bbc should show that. As another comparison the RL navy v army gets about 1.2k

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I wouldn’t mind watching the Army v Navy on the BBC. I don’t think the pompous in charge of sports should show their old uni’s varsity game however.
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Re: England RLWC 2017 games switched to BBC 2? : Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:41 pm  
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Was it a good standard? I know for current universities they're nowhere near the best. Leeds Met and Northumbria dominate the Northern Premier League and country at BUCS level, with Loughborough and Uni of Gloucester being the best of the Southern Premier League.

How are the university’s in the Challenge Cup selected?
Loughborough and Hull University in round one.
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Re: England RLWC 2017 games switched to BBC 2? : Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:19 pm  
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Pretty decent, probably next step down from that. Unfortunately in recentyears Cambridge have struggled somewhat


There's a big difference in quality for that step down imo. Oxford University aren't the better side in Oxford anymore, Brookes have been the better team recently from what I've seen.

Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:
How are the university’s in the Challenge Cup selected?
Loughborough and Hull University in round one.


I've got no idea. From the few articles i've seen on it I think it's random, or the best of the rest.

Northumbia have the same coach and share some players with Newcastle Thunder so that may rule them out. However, bringing in 2nd team players wouldn't be a huge drop as they're a good team too.

I don't know enough about Leeds Met to know what would rule them out, but they're Northern Premier winners for 2017 so are probably the best team for this season.

Loughborough have won the Southern Premier so deserve their place on the basis of being the best side in the South.
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£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:

Re: England RLWC 2017 games switched to BBC 2? : Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:41 pm  
[quote="Sir Kevin Sinfield"]I quite like watching 7’s thanks very much, when did I say otherwise?

I was just commenting that there looked less than 100 people in the crowd, just big empty stands, the kind of sight some RLfans members would wet their pants over if it was an RL event and claim it would never happen in union.

No idea what the stadiums called but there were lots of HSBC and Fly Emirates adverts, didn’t notice any others. I don’t think anyone was on the concourse eithe
Yip...you're right.....in the space of 12 months Dubai has gone from over 100k to 2 blokes and a couple of air stewardess's :CRAZY:
Having attended Las Vegas, Straylya, New Zealand, Hong Kong and Dubai last year I can confirm that the concourse areas are often more rammed than the stadiums until about the last 3 games of each day......then it's karaoke time...as I say, not spectators but they are present!

As for RL fans whining about empty seats.....League punches well above it social demographic weight crowd size wise.....60k+ in Newcastle for an event not dissimilar to a sevens tournament is perfectly acceptable!
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Re: England RLWC 2017 games switched to BBC 2? : Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:37 am  
SecondRowSaint wrote:
There's a big difference in quality for that step down imo. Oxford University aren't the better side in Oxford anymore, Brookes have been the better team recently from what I've seen.


Lol no they're not. They've beaten oxford once in their history and last week lost 49-6 to Oxford...
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