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Re: Charlie Hodgson
Post Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:26 pm
Posted by tank123 on Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:26 pm
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Put the fishing rod away :wink: You know we were the second highest try scorers in Superleague last year.


Yes and imagine if we had a decent attack what we could do.
Re: Charlie Hodgson
Post Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:50 pm
Posted by fleabag on Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:50 pm
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Rogues Gallery wrote:
Put the fishing rod away :wink: You know we were the second highest try scorers in Superleague last year.


So the others aren't scoring too many either then ?

Often within the 20 we look clueless as to how to get over that tryline.
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Re: Charlie Hodgson
Post Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:05 pm
Posted by exiled Warrior on Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:05 pm
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Seems not only Wigan have this problem, England coached by the "great" Wayne Bennet looked similar in the semi-final today especially in the first half, the Tongan defense was rushing off the line when England were in the Tongan 20m zone leaving a big space behind - crying out for grubber into the space but not a sign of one at all. Took half way through the second half before Gale actually kicked into the try zone and the result - a drop out and then a try!

So it looks like it is not just a Wigan issue! ;-)

On the kicking coach front a good isea but previous great Wigan goal kickers didn't need one so go figure!
Re: Charlie Hodgson
Post Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:00 am
Posted by Rogues Gallery on Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:00 am
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Cherry_Warrior wrote:
Unfortunately though Rouges we leaked a load too which is why we finished where we did. By rights 2nd highest scorers should put us in the top 2 if you consider it. Kicking as we all know was a massive issue last season and the one before that. Imagine if Widdop wasn't as assured this morning :shock: It isn't just about kicking for the extra 2 points it's about attacking kicks too. Not sure what a Union mon can teach a League mon about attacking kicks though to be honest. I watched a game of Union last week and a fella in the crowd got Man Of The Match.


The defence was as much an issue as the goalkicking. IMO our short kicking game is as good as most, however our kicking from deep needs a lot of work, although Escare did look decent until his injury.
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Re: Charlie Hodgson
Post Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:56 pm
Posted by DaveO on Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:56 pm
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Rogues Gallery wrote:
Put the fishing rod away :wink: You know we were the second highest try scorers in Superleague last year.


Does anyone know how we did this? Lies, damned lies and stats and all that because from what I saw our attack was poor. Regardless of that if we had combined that stat with a similar stat re goal kicks we might have been in a better position to win something. And may have done so. It's been an obvious issue for a while.

The fact the club have acknowledged it is a step forward. Better than just having a kicking competition and picking the best of a bad lot which is what it has done in recent seasons but the proof of the pudding.....
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Post Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:17 am
Posted by Cruncher on Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:17 am
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Personally, I'm sick of seeing that stat about how many tries we scored, because it counts for nothing whatsoever.

I know people are not trotting it out to try and mask what had to be our worst season since Brian Noble left, but it seems to get quoted occasionally as some kind of illustration that we at least got something right in 2017.

I would argue that, after the WCC, we got nothing right. Wigan fans are not dumb. They know good attacking football when they see it, and whatever the stat said, they saw next to none of that from the Cherry and Whites last season. Stats can be so deceptive. Much less so was the way Wigan ended 2017, playing without pride or interest, losing not just to Cas, who had nothing to play for and in front of a bumper crowd, but then lying down humiliatingly for a Wakefield team they would at one time have eaten for breakfast. That is what people will remember about 2017, not some obscure, meaningless stat.

And it's not just me being a typical moaning Wigan fan who thinks that. If that stat meant anything, England would not now be going into a World Cup Final with their best chance of winning since the early 90s minus several Wigan players so up their own backsides that they must have thought their selection would be a slam-dunk.

That only two Wiganers - the only two who played well in 2017! - will now figure in the first World Cup Final in ages is the real proof of how we performed in 2017.
Re: Charlie Hodgson
Post Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:38 pm
Posted by Madderzahatter on Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:38 pm
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Hopefully he can teach them how to get some decent yards kicking to touch too. Joe Lydon used to make loads of metres every kick. Nowadays they just rush it and barely make 10/20m,
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Post Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:47 pm
Posted by WiganBurt on Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:47 pm
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Madderzahatter wrote:
Hopefully he can teach them how to get some decent yards kicking to touch too. Joe Lydon used to make loads of metres every kick. Nowadays they just rush it and barely make 10/20m,


you know, this has been a bug-bear of mine for years too - I hate it when they do that!!

I recall in a Wigan evening post interview Andrew Farrell said something along the lines of "honest rugby" when being questioned about him doing the same thing. No...get it bloody booted!

although this is a positive step from Wigan, I doubt there will be much positive impact considering we have about a month with the squad together before next season begins. i'll happily stand to be corrected in a few months, however!
Re: Charlie Hodgson
Post Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:17 am
Posted by moto748 on Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:17 am
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That was driving me mad last season, with TL easily the worst offender. Gaining just five metres from a penalty? What's that all about?
Re: Charlie Hodgson
Post Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:15 am
Posted by Aboveusonlypie on Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:15 am
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moto748 wrote:
That was driving me mad last season, with TL easily the worst offender. Gaining just five metres from a penalty? What's that all about?

If anyone on here remembers Colin Tyrer they'd realise that it isn't a recent problem.

Colin would take an age over a penalty then boot it into the crowd gaining...oh at least two yards!
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