Re: Dual reg....again! : Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:49 pm  

Rotherham Fev Fan.
I have not changed my opinion on d/r. Ido not agree with it and still think all clubs should be made to have a reseve side, but if that is what it takes to be successful and progress then why not co op with the best you can.
You have the Rhinos, would you swap for Catalan or Warrington for example ( no disrepect meant to those two teams) ?

Re: Dual reg....again! : Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:05 pm  

I doubt anybody 'really' likes it but it is a necessary evil brought about by SL clubs picking up the cream of the young players and not being able to give them game time because they can't be @rsed to run a reserves team. RFL should make it a pre-requisite of being in SL that you must have a reserve team, it might be tough for Catalans but they would have to run their team in the French league if necessary.

Re: Dual reg....again! : Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:12 pm  

Norman Bates wrote:

I doubt anybody 'really' likes it but it is a necessary evil brought about by SL clubs picking up the cream of the young players and not being able to give them game time because they can't be @rsed to run a reserves team. RFL should make it a pre-requisite of being in SL that you must have a reserve team, it might be tough for Catalans but they would have to run their team in the French league if necessary.

This

I'd go one step further an insist that all championship sides have to run a reserves team also. This could be U23, U21, U19 whatever but a structure to bring new talent into the professional game.

Re: Dual reg....again! : Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:14 pm  

FevGrinder wrote:

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I'd go one step further an insist that all championship sides have to run a reserves team also. This could be U23, U21, U19 whatever but a structure to bring new talent into the professional game.

Absolutely Dave, but when you think about it, we would only be going back to what was the norm 20 odd years ago. Sportsman shudds. First Chop Hop 4.1% Mmm!

Re: Dual reg....again! : Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:38 pm  

FevGrinder wrote:

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I'd go one step further an insist that all championship sides have to run a reserves team also. This could be U23, U21, U19 whatever but a structure to bring new talent into the professional game.

That would be 24 teams needing at least 17 players per team, even accounting for the clubs that have reserve sides where are all the other hundreds of players going to come from.
You then have to have extra coaching staff.
Extra officials and medical staff etc etc.
Some Championship clubs are barely getting by running a first team so how can they be forced to run a reserves?
SL clubs yes but it would have to be their own decisions, the RFL don’t have the will or the power to force anything onto SL clubs that they don’t want.
No easy answer and as stated before it’s the state of the game in 2017 and moving on.
What happened in the past is in the past, sadly things have changed and it’s not for the good if your outside SL.

Re: Dual reg....again! : Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:06 pm  

faxcar wrote:

That would be 24 teams needing at least 17 players per team, even accounting for the clubs that have reserve sides where are all the other hundreds of players going to come from.
You then have to have extra coaching staff.
Extra officials and medical staff etc etc.
Some Championship clubs are barely getting by running a first team so how can they be forced to run a reserves?
SL clubs yes but it would have to be their own decisions, the RFL don’t have the will or the power to force anything onto SL clubs that they don’t want.
No easy answer and as stated before it’s the state of the game in 2017 and moving on.
What happened in the past is in the past, sadly things have changed and it’s not for the good if your outside SL.

Ypu're right - but as we used to do all this - plus run 20odd Academy sides as well, you simply show how far backwards the game has gone in the last 20 years.

Re: Dual reg....again! : Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:52 pm  

griff1998 wrote:

Ypu're right - but as we used to do all this - plus run 20odd Academy sides as well, you simply show how far backwards the game has gone in the last 20 years.

Yep and reverse engineer it, how far we need to go before the game will get rid of DR and all the players running out each week are actually signed to the clubs whose shirts they are wearing.
How some of the lads involved can remain focussed and committed to the game baffles me some tiimes.
Apart from DR there is the loan arrangement with some lads being shipped out to 2,3,4,5 etc different clubs for 2,3,4,5 etc amount of games. Arrrrg.

Re: Dual reg....again! : Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:26 pm  

faxcar wrote:

Yep and reverse engineer it, how far we need to go before the game will get rid of DR and all the players running out each week are actually signed to the clubs whose shirts they are wearing.
How some of the lads involved can remain focussed and committed to the game baffles me some tiimes.
Apart from DR there is the loan arrangement with some lads being shipped out to 2,3,4,5 etc different clubs for 2,3,4,5 etc amount of games. Arrrrg.

Ah well, we've had the loan system for a lot of years. The difference is that they have to be there at least 28 days. Given that, I'd be surprised if a player got as far as five different clubs on loan. And it's not possible to go for two games. It has to be a period of time, not a number of games.

Re: Dual reg....again! : Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:15 pm  

griff1998 wrote:

Ah well, we've had the loan system for a lot of years. The difference is that they have to be there at least 28 days. Given that, I'd be surprised if a player got as far as five different clubs on loan. And it's not possible to go for two games. It has to be a period of time, not a number of games.

Yes I know but in that period of time they aren’t guaranteed to be picked for every game so of course it can be for 2 games that they play in.

Re: Dual reg....again! : Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:00 am  

So as not to hi jack the Woodburn-Hall thread with another DR theme I though I would post a part quote here.

Ref new signings is there much point if you have dual reg and reserves.....all you would be doing is paying contracts to people that might not get a game.[/quote]

The other way of looking at it, the point would be.

If possible, to sign good players, who would be the clubs players, playing for their club, who, if fit would get a game and then support them with the developing players from the reserves with limited or no use of DR.

It has become noticeably obvious that the "Good Thing" Fax have going at the moment is that players are resigning for less than they could get elsewhere precisely because of feeling they belong to the club, it's their club, it's their second home etc and they are 100% committed to the club because of it and are here for the long term.

Can the same be said for DR players as individuals or about a team with several DR individuals who are just here for the short term, we don't want to lose our identity and spirit, you can't put a price on it.

If it comes down to recruitment to your own club being put on hold because of DR then it really is sad day.