Re: Reminds me of Wigan under Millward : Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:06 am  

jools wrote:

So there you have it with your final quote. You expect and want an easy ride. You want to play against teams that you can easily beat- not have close games week in week out.
Yes you DO develop more top level players than any other side- because if a young kid of 13-16 is given a choice, do you want to play for Wigan a team with a fantastic set up that they've had the success to be able to buy, with the best youth coaches, all your kit bought and all the extras and a big pay check or Wakefield, with Dave from Normy coaching and not much money to spend so you will have to buy your own kit bag, training shoes and boots - of course they are going to choose Wigan. Like I say good on you and any other team would do the same- but you have the advantage over many other clubs - yet you act like it's the other clubs that aren't doing enough. Would you be quite as successful if it was a level playing field? Well clearly those at your club think not- or they wouldn't have voted against the draft system.....

its about time you all invested then, the wages are paid for by SKY now so your sponsors, gate receipts etc should be re invested. You surely cant blame a club for investing in youth. Wire, Leeds, Hull, Saints etc all do this very well also.

Re: Reminds me of Wigan under Millward : Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:08 pm  

Pieman wrote:

its about time you all invested then, the wages are paid for by SKY now so your sponsors, gate receipts etc should be re invested. You surely cant blame a club for investing in youth. Wire, Leeds, Hull, Saints etc all do this very well also.

You still aren't getting it are you.
All those clubs you mention above have been successful in winning silverware-do you think that's just a coincidence? I suppose you could argue its chicken and egg.
Ken Davy spends 10k a WEEK of his own money.
The club does spend-and we have improved our academy rating. We have recently invested in a brand new gym facility and have bought a sports complex for a few million with a view to regenerating it to use as a training facility for the squad and to play our academy games at. All this with half your gate money, sponsorship, etc. Our academy lads are fully professional and all get a choice of further education courses which are delivered by staff at Loughborough university.
We are poorer than you and spend what we can- But the shiny silverware in the cabinet means Wigan get amongst the first pick for the most part of the kids available.
I'm not moaning about it- it is what it is and as I say in your position we would do the same- but it's this denial that you are in a prime position that gets me. Wigan are like the aristocracy blaming the peasants for being born poor.
Anyhow- you won't admit it's the case -it's clearly all our fault so no doubt will see you all on our board on Friday when we get that 50 point thrashing we deserve.

Re: Reminds me of Wigan under Millward : Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:23 am  

jools wrote:

You still aren't getting it are you.
All those clubs you mention above have been successful in winning silverware-do you think that's just a coincidence? I suppose you could argue its chicken and egg.
Ken Davy spends 10k a WEEK of his own money.
The club does spend-and we have improved our academy rating. We have recently invested in a brand new gym facility and have bought a sports complex for a few million with a view to regenerating it to use as a training facility for the squad and to play our academy games at. All this with half your gate money, sponsorship, etc. Our academy lads are fully professional and all get a choice of further education courses which are delivered by staff at Loughborough university.
We are poorer than you and spend what we can- But the shiny silverware in the cabinet means Wigan get amongst the first pick for the most part of the kids available.
I'm not moaning about it- it is what it is and as I say in your position we would do the same- but it's this denial that you are in a prime position that gets me. Wigan are like the aristocracy blaming the peasants for being born poor.
Anyhow- you won't admit it's the case -it's clearly all our fault so no doubt will see you all on our board on Friday when we get that 50 point thrashing we deserve.

I dont think your getting it, we have been successful because we invested in youth as have all the recent successful clubs. Dont blame anyone else because your late to the party, by the way our chairman also puts his hand in his pocket as it doesnt come cheap.

Re: Reminds me of Wigan under Millward : Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:51 am  

jools wrote:

You still aren't getting it are you.
All those clubs you mention above have been successful in winning silverware-do you think that's just a coincidence? I suppose you could argue its chicken and egg.
Ken Davy spends 10k a WEEK of his own money.
The club does spend-and we have improved our academy rating. We have recently invested in a brand new gym facility and have bought a sports complex for a few million with a view to regenerating it to use as a training facility for the squad and to play our academy games at. All this with half your gate money, sponsorship, etc. Our academy lads are fully professional and all get a choice of further education courses which are delivered by staff at Loughborough university.
We are poorer than you and spend what we can- But the shiny silverware in the cabinet means Wigan get amongst the first pick for the most part of the kids available.
I'm not moaning about it- it is what it is and as I say in your position we would do the same- but it's this denial that you are in a prime position that gets me. Wigan are like the aristocracy blaming the peasants for being born poor.
Anyhow- you won't admit it's the case -it's clearly all our fault so no doubt will see you all on our board on Friday when we get that 50 point thrashing we deserve.

Jeez!! We got into this position BECAUSE we spent.... And you are now seeing that actually spending, investing, can have benefits... WE KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE DID IT! And we get rather vexed that other don't invest, advertise, and work to be better than they are... Instead we get people coming on this board, sniping and bitter because of what we achieved, when in actual fact, anybody could have done the same. We took risks, and it very nearly went tits up, but we made the effort to be successful, it's a pity more were not so adventurous. So step up your game...

HTH

Re: Reminds me of Wigan under Millward : Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:02 am  

jools wrote:

I'm not moaning about it- it is what it is and as I say in your position we would do the same- but it's this denial that you are in a prime position that gets me. Wigan are like the aristocracy blaming the peasants for being born poor.

By that logic, you sound like the scrounger who blames the hard working man for being rich. Unfortunately for you, rugby league and sport in general is not the communist society you dearly wish it was. We have earned our place at the top of the table, Wigan is a rugby league mad town and has been for over a century. Deal with it.

Re: Reminds me of Wigan under Millward : Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:06 am  

Always makes me laugh when people say about us having the pick of all the young kids, yet most of the players that came through our system and are playing first team rugby grew up in Wigan itself.

Sam and Joel Tomkins, Burgess, Gildart, Marshall, Williams, Sutton, Powell, Farrell, O'Loughlin.
Manfredi is from Leigh isn't he, and McIlorum from Leeds. Other than that, we haven't exactly done much cherry picking from other areas.

Re: Reminds me of Wigan under Millward : Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:08 am  

How anyone from Huddersfield has the nerve to complain astounds me. They have been given more than any other club what with the bung for the Sheffield "merger" and years (I think there was more than one) of finishing bottom but not being relegated. Jools really needs to show some appreciation and button it.

Re: Reminds me of Wigan under Millward : Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:33 pm  

There are some clubs on both sides of the Pennines (but in Yorkshire in particular) that seem to have this expectation that they have a God given right to be given everything rather than work hard to achieve.

Just look at the flack some clubs teams are piling on Toronto on social media, just cause they are smashing all opposition. The heartland clubs supporters can't stand it. But who's fault is that?

Toronto have shown more ambition in 100 days than the majority of RL clubs have in 100 years.

Re: Reminds me of Wigan under Millward : Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:36 pm  

JWarriors wrote:

Always makes me laugh when people say about us having the pick of all the young kids, yet most of the players that came through our system and are playing first team rugby grew up in Wigan itself.

Sam and Joel Tomkins, Burgess, Gildart, Marshall, Williams, Sutton, Powell, Farrell, O'Loughlin.
Manfredi is from Leigh isn't he, and McIlorum from Leeds. Other than that, we haven't exactly done much cherry picking from other areas.

Exactly and as pointed out Huddersfield tried to build their resurgence on cherry picking junior talent like Wardle, Patrick and Carlisle a few years ago.

Young players that come through at Wigan tend to have been at the club club from a very young age, not just picked up once they're nearly ready for first team rugby after another club has put in the ground work of developing them up to that level.