[Bulliac]

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:18 pm  

Highlander wrote:

37% of the total electorate. See earlier

I'm certain the NHS lie caused a swing of 2-3%. That was the final piece of the jigsaw to deliver a Brexit vote.
And a lie of that magnitude was needed to get it. And for a Brexit politician, the end justifies the means because once they'd won, the right wing media would gloss over the lie that delivered Brexit and continue to smear everyone that didn't toe the line.

37%, yes. Which is, in a sense, fair enough for a new government in a multi party election, remembering that a government can be voted out in five (or fewer) years. Where I think it is wrong is in allowing such a major constitutional change as our EU membership to be decided by such a wafer thin majority - and worse, I'd guess that when we're out, we'll be out for a generation with May going on about it being "the settled will of the people". One thing is true though, in a general election a 52% to 48% split between two parties would have left a totally split government with no chance of getting any legislation through - and a certain second election fairly quickly afterwards.

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:22 pm  

You can be sure that the next Government will ensure trades union ballots require a much clearer majority for industrial action.

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:02 pm  

If the Tories manage to focus this entire election on Brexit, then we're stuffed.
If their record on NHS & social care and to a lesser extent education can get enough coverage, then it could get uncomfortable for them.
The NHS is imploding daily. Politicians are very aware that the party which the public perceive to have broken the NHS will be unelectable for a generation. Just need to make enough mud stick to the Teflon Tories.

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:48 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

This isn’t like a normal general election because the result is already known in my opinion, and it represents a stepping stone to something else. The conservatives will win and with an increased majority. What this election (and the council one before it) is, is one of many adjustments taking place to reflect the civil war caused by the referendum. In itself the election will not serve to change the partisan nature of society in the slightest but I think it is a necessary step.

The LDs will not return to Cleggmania days instantly, but as the unashamedly and only UK wide voice of “the 48%” and the only centre ground in UK politics they will gain seats, and more importantly continue to give a voice to a vast swathe of the population who feel ignored or even vilified (Daily Mail headlines of example).

The election will also help develop a meaningful opposition to fill in the vacuum caused by the present lack of one. On June 9th Corbyn will either resign enabling the Party to pursue a centre-left agenda, or if he refuses, the party formally fractures with MPs choosing to form a centre-left party, or to join with the LDs. Either way, the strength of the moderate political centre will increase, from the level it is at now.

The demographics of EU support suggest that time is on the side of the political liberal or centre ground. I have the perhaps optimistic aspiration that by the time I’m 50 in 10 years time, we will have re-joined the EU. By then some of the silvertops will have buggered off to the little-England in the sky, enabling young people to pursue a less misty-eyed batshit crazy agenda.

I'm a silvertop and when I bugger off I hope we will have really left that corrupt organisation called EU. How we can still be in something that has'nt been audited for years I'll never understand. I'm old enough to remember how we had to destroy umpteen orchards to be allowed in and don't start me on the destroyed Fishing industry. Being forty you would'nt know how we managed before, and don't worry about trade the EU lorries will still be arriving containing about 80% more than they take back and quite possibly be delivering a few illegals.

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:06 pm  

Lilfatman wrote:

I'm a silvertop and when I bugger off I hope we will have really left that corrupt organisation called EU. How we can still be in something that has'nt been audited for years I'll never understand. I'm old enough to remember how we had to destroy umpteen orchards to be allowed in and don't start me on the destroyed Fishing industry. Being forty you would'nt know how we managed before, and don't worry about trade the EU lorries will still be arriving containing about 80% more than they take back and quite possibly be delivering a few illegals.

Thanks Nigel.

[Bulliac]

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:21 pm  

tigertot wrote:

You can be sure that the next Government will ensure trades union ballots require a much clearer majority for industrial action.

Oh aye, with the Daily Wail calling everyone who disagrees a traitor and, no doubt, the working class Tories saying, "they're only doing it for our own good".

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:00 pm  

Bulliac wrote: Oh aye, with the Daily Wail calling everyone who disagrees a traitor and, no doubt, the working class Tories saying, "they're only doing it for our own good". New BBC Drama - Gunpowder So, BBC have finished shooting a new drama regarding the Gunpowder plot. Coincidence?

Bulliac wrote: Oh aye, with the Daily Wail calling everyone who disagrees a traitor and, no doubt, the working class Tories saying, "they're only doing it for our own good". New BBC Drama - Gunpowder So, BBC have finished shooting a new drama regarding the Gunpowder plot. Coincidence?

[Pumpetypump]

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:00 pm  

Lilfatman wrote:

How we can still be in something that has'nt been audited for years I'll never understand.

Explain to me where you get this from. The European Court of Auditors has audited the EU’s accounts annually since 1994.

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:01 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

Explain to me where you get this from. The European Court of Auditors has audited the EU’s accounts annually since 1994.

Since when has any Brexit voter needed any kind of proof of anything. Just believe the lies they are peddled by the Daily Rags.

Have any of them questioned the 350 million yet? Have any of them questioned the fact that it is going to cost us hundreds of millions even to start the exit?

No, let's just carry on believing it's going to be best for the country. Without anyone actually ever saying how.

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:35 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

Explain to me where you get this from. The European Court of Auditors has audited the EU’s accounts annually since 1994.

If you say so. Any details about the first twenty odd years ?