Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:54 am  

wire quin wrote:

48 missed tackles Clarky stated today on BnA- Worst % in any game over the weekend-Awful

The other stat we led on was number of tries conceded on the 5th play over the season.

kin ell. 48 in one game!!! To give you a comparison the worst count I can recall from my team who were in bottom place and getting tonked each week was in the 30s.

Too many poor players playing first grade.

The coach will get the blame as to why the players are missing tackles of course.

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:23 am  

Rooster Booster wrote:

The coach will get the blame as to why the players are missing tackles of course.

What exactly is the job of a Senior Coach at a Rugby League Club RB? If he is not to take the blame for on-field performances, then who is?

2011 - Dorn, O'Callaghan, Howell, Melling, Randall and Gale were the back in his first game in charge...a win v Catalans...same 6 for the win over Crusaders...and the win over Leeds...the loss to Hudds, same 6. Then, O'Callaghan picked up a knock and was replaced by Calderwood for the win against Saints.
4 Wins out of 5 games.....for the record, that's 45% of his wins as a coach....they say it takes time for a coach to find his feet in a new role.....by week 6, the team obviously started playing the way he wanted... .......they've won 5 SL games in the last 40 under his coaching.

Dorn, Clubb, Randall, O'Callaghan and Howell are still with us.....4 of them featured in the game with 48 missed tackles.....IIRC the one missing was voted player of the year last year......what's the reason for players of this ilk, who at the start of 2011 were beating champion sides like Leeds, Saints and Catalans have started missing tackles?

It's apparently a done deal that Powell will be shunted back to the accademy coaches role in 2013.....so it would seem that although he's still there now, somebody else agrees with me where the buck stops for on field performances.....with the coach.

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:41 am  

gutterfax wrote:

usual waffle waffle.

Do you think a coach teaches people to miss tackles is the point?

Do you not think things like that get looked at during the week in training?

The buck always stops with a coach, that is never in doubt and he will get the blame. Even when a team doesn't do what they're told, under perform, miss tackles, see things differently on the park etc. etc. Or you just have players that aren't up to the level of other sides. As a spectator we cry for the head of the coach. I've witnessed it. People having a go about things that the coach does actually do but but ain't getting done on the pitch, but It's just the way it is. The players should take a lot of the heat, but they rarely do.

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:24 am  

Rooster Booster wrote:

Usual indepth explanation of your opinion which I am thankful for, but which actually does little to address the stats or as I like to call them, FACTS, that I used in my initial question

I named 5 players who have ben at the club for the duration...a player...or maybe even 2, will lose form.......the 5 players I mentioned all losing form at the same time is either a freaky coincidence or down to the coach not having the right game plan.

Nobody has ever said the players should be blameless.....but I make no apology for laying 95% (if not more) of the blame at the feet of the coach!


FWIW....my usual waffle is about marketing. Yes, I use stats to make my point in most debates.....but this is because I find opinions are like @rseholes, in that we all have one......... but stats don't lie!

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:24 am  

Do you think a coach teaches people to miss tackles is the point?

Of course he doesnt but what he should do is

Set up defensive patterns so that players don't get exposed
Don't pick players who are poor tacklers
Create a culture of aggression and wanting to win by which players make tackles at all cost
Make changes to team patterns in the game if certain players are being targeted- ie a 7 by a 12 for example
Coach players how to tackle in a way you want them to tackle
Coach the team how to defend with more than one in the tackle
Slow the opposition down so that your defense is set
Study the opposition and understand the other teams strengths & weakness paying particular attention to their attacking strengths and counter act it



but no you are right he doesnt teach players to miss tackles

: Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:06 am  

What frustrates me and it happened in the Huddersfield match is the number of stupid penalties we give away, often when the match is close. One example at the weekend was conceding a pointless penalty, then on the first tackle concede another!

I am not defending Powell we all seen able to recognise he is completely out of his depth, but the players need to take responsibility on the pitch

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:14 am  

gutterfax wrote:

I named 5 players who have ben at the club for the duration...a player...or maybe even 2, will lose form.......the 5 players I mentioned all losing form at the same time is either a freaky coincidence or down to the coach not having the right game plan.

Nobody has ever said the players should be blameless.....but I make no apology for laying 95% (if not more) of the blame at the feet of the coach!


FWIW....my usual waffle is about marketing. Yes, I use stats to make my point in most debates.....but this is because I find opinions are like @rseholes, in that we all have one......... but stats don't lie!

5 players apparently losing form is down to a coach not having a right game plan?

You can lay 95% of the blame at the coach as much as you like. It just goes to show you have no idea about what's involved with coaching a top flight club.

Teams nause up, the coach cops it. Is Ivan Cleary a crap coach? He's second from bottom in the NRL, he must be and there's even some sad fans calling for his head. It's just the way it works.

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:20 am  

Boosty

What is the coach responsible for? That's probably the easier question for you to answer and us to respond to.

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:33 am  

Set up defensive patterns so that players don't get exposed – Don't you think teams do this in training?
Don't pick players who are poor tacklers - This is subject to the availability of our talent pool.
Create a culture of aggression and wanting to win by which players make tackles at all cost - culture setting is a good point WQ
Make changes to team patterns in the game if certain players are being targeted- ie a 7 by a 12 for example - If I understand what you're saying, you don't change your team mid game because your player is their spot player. You may give him a bit of protection when he kicks.
Coach players how to tackle in a way you want them to tackle - Don't you think teams do this in training?
Coach the team how to defend with more than one in the tackle - Don't you think teams do this in training?
Slow the opposition down so that your defense is set - Don't you think teams do this in training?
Study the opposition and understand the other teams strengths & weakness paying particular attention to their attacking strengths and counter act it -Don't you think teams do this in training and from VIDEO work?


Come WQ, you know about the game. Powell not being good enough is purely based on the results. He fails. He goes. End of. Players on the other hand can have a contract. Hypothetically, if 10 of a 25 first grade squad under perform and don't do what they're told or miss tackles, or don't act on what they've learnt from video work, or seem unmotivated in any team and the teams loses and finishes second from bottom, who goes? The coach. Not the players on a contract.

A lot of comments directed at coaching on here are sometimes unfounded as people don't know what happens at training etc. etc. They see the poor results and direct their anger at the person who cops it at the end of the day as results are their responsibility.

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:39 am  

wire quin wrote:

Boosty

What is the coach responsible for? That's probably the easier question for you to answer and us to respond to.

WQ, you know what he's responsible for.

Your list suggests that certain things don't happen. How do you know they don't? Purely based on results! People have reasons as to why they think things aren't happening.

At the end of the day, the coach is going. End of really. But some of the misdirected shıt on here at times is exactly that.