Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:13 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

The move to VP is being continually touted.
One of the often repeated assumptions about VP is that the Gibb pension fund (owners of the ground) would simply allow both clubs to share the current rental paid by City. I've got to say I can't imagine why this would actually be the position. I suspect they would be rubbing their hands, to be honest, especially if the Bulls burn their boats at Odsal. If it is the case that the current board is moving along those lines I hope Mr coulby (or whoever is running the show) keeps his wits about him.

. Our overheads at Odsal were already "significant extra costs" over and above VP - quote Mr Caisley - and he should know, and that was before we were paying rent. So any move to VP would achieve significant cost savings even paying the same rent. I said it 6 weeks ago and I will say it again. The long term issue is matching revenue and costs. And that has not happened at Odsal for a long time. If the current directors cannot attract the investment to keep the club going at Odsal, let alone turn it into a stadium that would attract people in the numbers required, then overheads have to be brought into line with revenues. However that is achieved.

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:25 pm  

Bubbashrimp wrote:

In no way can Odsal be described as a top stadium.

Maybe not.....But it's home!

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:33 am  

martinwildbull wrote:

. Our overheads at Odsal were already "significant extra costs" over and above VP - quote Mr Caisley - and he should know, and that was before we were paying rent. So any move to VP would achieve significant cost savings even paying the same rent. I said it 6 weeks ago and I will say it again. The long term issue is matching revenue and costs. And that has not happened at Odsal for a long time. If the current directors cannot attract the investment to keep the club going at Odsal, let alone turn it into a stadium that would attract people in the numbers required, then overheads have to be brought into line with revenues. However that is achieved.

The overheads caisley talked about were primarily the maintenance costs of odsal. It's never been clarified 100% bit under new lease if were paying a commercial rent then I'd expect landlord ( rfl) to pay for the upkeep.

Also if were sub- letting vp of city what happens to concessions money? If we were only getting the use of the stadium and they got the profits from the concessions then that's another revenue stream gone.

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:04 am  

Just a couple of points having seen this thread develop and grow since yesterday:
1. Julian Rhodes is not in a position to be a sugar daddy to us as Moran, Lenaghan etc... are at our rivals. He's pretty much blown all his, and most of his Dad's cash on keeping City alfoat for the last 10 years.
2. The only reason he got involved at City is because he's a massive City fan and they were going under. He is not a BUlls, or indeed a Rugby league fan.
3. City have a similar type of deal at VP that Bulls have at Odsal. ie, they have pretty much carte blanche to do anything, and sub let to anybody, without the owner getting a cut / having a say. as long as the rent's paid on time!
4. City have not just paid out for new offices. A separate company owned by Julian Rhodes, his dad and Mark Lawn has just sold the offices adjacent to VP (which housed the ticket office and shop) that they bought last year from prupim to reduce the club's rent committments. This income, has already been promised to the manager to help build a more competitive team.

I do not have any inside information, but this hint of Rhodes' involvement as an investor seems pretty wide of the mark. I can imagine however, that there may have been some contact between the clubs regarding where a Bradford RL team might play in the furure.

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:04 am  

Bulls4Champs wrote:

We've already got Mutants down here, AKA the Coal Munchers from the towns around that Big Racecourse on 62.

As someone who grew up in a mining village I am not offended in the slightest.

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:09 am  

mat wrote:

The overheads caisley talked about were primarily the maintenance costs of odsal. It's never been clarified 100% bit under new lease if were paying a commercial rent then I'd expect landlord ( rfl) to pay for the upkeep.

Also if were sub- letting vp of city what happens to concessions money? If we were only getting the use of the stadium and they got the profits from the concessions then that's another revenue stream gone.

at the moment, Bradford City dont get an income from the bars / concessions on a match by match basis. They have a lump sum agreement with the outside firms that run them that is an annual fee. I am sure that those companies would do a similar deal with the bulls should there be an extra load of matches. BCFC are very pleased that although they might lose out a little bit, they can budget on a fixed amount, and someone else carries the liabilities regarding stock etc...

DAvid Baldwin the Operations manager (effectively CEO) at BCFC is a very astute man. We could do worse than tapping into his knowledge. Remember, since the Lawn/Rhodes co charimanship of City came about in 2006ish, they have been in the bottom division and flirted with financial trouble a bit, but in the previous five years they'd been in admin twice!

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:15 am  

Bulls Boy 2011 wrote:

Councils are crying out for landfill sites.

If incineration, sorry energy recovery, gets the go ahead that won't necessary be the case. I was at a couple of waste treatment plants last week, one in Bradford, one in York. At one of them the amount of landfill is set to drop from c240,000t p/a to 20,000 as a result. This will extend the life of the landfill significantly, moving to almost zero landfill in the very short term. Still you can't burn asbestos, so possibility for that or nuclear waste I suppose.

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:17 am  

Bubbashrimp wrote:

In no way can Odsal be described as a top stadium.

I've never understood the criticism of Odsal. Before I lived here I always loved going & I still think it is a great place to watch RL, nowhere better on the odd fine day. It's alomost the last iconic stadium left.

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:18 am  

Bulliac wrote:

That's always a possibility, though haven't City just spent quite a lot of money on some new offices at VP?

They did but i think they have resold them on now as the running costs were eating into them, i think its something to do with a charity that wayne jacobs is involved with bought them to set up some sort of school

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:47 am  

The office block has been sold on to be used as a school administered by the charity founded by wayne jacobs. Pitch sizes. Oodsal 88x68? Was64m tilltwo years ago. Vp 104mx64 reduced from 68m to allow extra advertising boards. Use of vp is in citys control flamingolandpension fund has no say in use orsublet.distance from touchline to boundry wall at least two metres more than at headingly. I personally dont want to see the bulls move. However. Objections shouldbebased on fact. That and the fact that one ofthecurrent shareholders is a totally untrustworthy 'gentleman'