Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:10 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

Capello was panned for getting results like that against USA and Algeria. And it would appear that England havent had a manager with have half a brain for a long time.

Could Hodgson ever do anything right for you?

Yeah, he got Fulham to the Wafer cup final, he cemented West Brom in the mid-table and he sold Roberto Carlos at Inter. I never had - and probably never will - praise a manager that gets his side to defend for 90 minutes and hopes for the best. I've said on many occasions, it shows a complete lack of ability if he can't get a side of decent players playing something remotely decent or skillful.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:14 pm  

I thought that it would be France and Ukraine from this group before today's games and I haven't seen anything to change that opinion, except that I think the Ukranians will actually win the group.

I can see England crumbling in that atmosphere in their last game, which, after Ukraine's win, will almost definitely be a 'live' game....The only hope for England is that the Ukrainian's do a job on the French and gain early qualification, which might lead to them easing off in that last game. However, I don't see that happening.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:18 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

Yeah, he got Fulham to the Wafer cup final, he cemented West Brom in the mid-table and he sold Roberto Carlos at Inter. I never had - and probably never will - praise a manager that gets his side to defend for 90 minutes and hopes for the best. I've said on many occasions, it shows a complete lack of ability if he can't get a side of decent players playing something remotely decent or skillful.

But yet you praise a manager who spends millions, then proceeds to scrape a League Cup final against Championship opposition, whilst giving his side its worst league campaign in donkey's years???....

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:28 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

I've said on many occasions, it shows a complete lack of ability if he can't get a side of decent players playing something remotely decent or skillful.

What, like king kenny?

PLay sh*T for 120 minutes, scrape a draw against far inferior opposition then win on penalties?

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:59 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

But yet you praise a manager who spends millions, then proceeds to scrape a League Cup final against Championship opposition, whilst giving his side its worst league campaign in donkey's years???....

I praised Kenny for completely different reasons. I was massively critical of our season and I didn't argue when he was sacked. I praised Kenny for turning the club around after Roy, for restoring a bit of happiness in the fanbase and getting the side to play decent football. The short period under Roy remains the darkest period in my time supporting Liverpool, I have never been so unhappy in my time as a fan.

Wilbred T Pricklepop wrote:

What, like king kenny?

PLay sh*T for 120 minutes, scrape a draw against far inferior opposition then win on penalties?

Did Liverpool sit in their own box for 120 minutes and defend? No, they didn't. We had a bad game in that final, but you cannot dispute Liverpool were a passing side that attempted to play quality football. I can barely even remember that final, but we had something like 40 attempts on goal, you don't do that playing Hodgeball.

Still, what makes me p*ss is that Ingurland fans seem to be bringing King Kenny into a debate about Hodgson. Keep cheering sh*t on a stick whilst the routine flop will happen again. When the first decent side knocks you out, I imagine it will be universally accepted that England should be outplayed by them, nothing like being consistent 'n all.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:34 pm  

It was OK, Hodgson seems to have sorted the defence out and we look a lot more secure at the back, however I do worry about Johnson, he's the weak link. The only reason Milner is in the side is to cover Johnson when he gets caught out of position, I'll have to watch the French goal again but I was sure at the time it was him who was at fault for the goal becaue he was out of position when the ball came over to the right which allowed Ribery(?) to get the ball back into the middle. In the next game I'd bring Carrol in for Milner and move Young out wide. I'm not a Carroll fan by any means but I think having him in the side gives us more attacking options and I think him and Welbeck would work well together.

I wasn't that impressed with the Ukraine or Sweden. Both are dangerous and have 1 or 2 good attacking players, but nothing to lose any sleep over.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:51 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

It was OK, Hodgson seems to have sorted the defence out and we look a lot more secure at the back, however I do worry about Johnson, he's the weak link. The only reason Milner is in the side is to cover Johnson when he gets caught out of position, I'll have to watch the French goal again but I was sure at the time it was him who was at fault for the goal becaue he was out of position when the ball came over to the right which allowed Ribery(?) to get the ball back into the middle. In the next game I'd bring Carrol in for Milner and move Young out wide. I'm not a Carroll fan by any means but I think having him in the side gives us more attacking options and I think him and Welbeck would work well together.

I wasn't that impressed with the Ukraine or Sweden. Both are dangerous and have 1 or 2 good attacking players, but nothing to lose any sleep over.

I thought Johnson played OK, swept up a number of times when required and did a decent job. Biggest disappointments for me were Hart who I thought looked anxious/nervous and should have done better with the goal, Milner should have scored and couldn't supply any quality ball, Parker who spent most of his time rolling around on the floor and generally looking fatigued.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:02 pm  

Smiggs wrote:

I thought Johnson played OK, swept up a number of times when required and did a decent job. Biggest disappointments for me were Hart who I thought looked anxious/nervous and should have done better with the goal, Milner should have scored and couldn't supply any quality ball, Parker who spent most of his time rolling around on the floor and generally looking fatigued.

I thought Parker and Gerard both looked fairly poor. Its a shame Lampard was injured because I think he'd have done well coming off the bench. People are saying Rooney's our biggest loss but for me Jack Wilshire is the player we miss the most.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:00 am  

I cannot believe Roddy still continues to get bites. He certainly puts on a good act. Well I assume it is an act because nobody could really be so thick and clueless without trying can they?

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:03 am  

Roddy B wrote:

Yeah, he got Fulham to the Wafer cup final, he cemented West Brom in the mid-table and he sold Roberto Carlos at Inter. I never had - and probably never will - praise a manager that gets his side to defend for 90 minutes and hopes for the best. I've said on many occasions, it shows a complete lack of ability if he can't get a side of decent players playing something remotely decent or skillful.

I dont think any England manager will get away with playing ultra defensive football for any length of time. But I think hodgson deserves to be cut some slack, at least for the time being.

Given the very short time he's had with the players and the quality available to him, I think it's reasonable for him to take a cautious approach, to concentrate on the defence and organisation. I just do not see how the current crop of England players could be successful trying to play expansive football. At least he's set out with an idea of how he wants us to play, something which his predecessors seemed to lack.


Of course it's quite possible that we'll fail to score in our next two games and end up going home early. And then he'll have to put up with the criticism. But I dont think he deserves it based on yesterday's game