Re: Team Formation : Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:29 pm  

We need to freshen things up, maybe something like this would do better than the dross we are currently seeing.

Hardaker
Hall Keinhorst Watkins BJB
Ward McGuire
Griffin Lunt Amor
Delaney JJB
Sinfield

Burrow Singleton JP Ablett

Re: Team Formation : Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:37 pm  

If the CEO is genuinely asking whether this team has 'run it's course' then I wouldn't be looking forward to the appraisal that is awaiting the person who is responsible for contracting them to 2013 and beyond (Bailey apart?)

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Ward in the main showed last night that he has a spark that is needed at half-back and desperately lacking at pesent. Sinfield showed he can no longer be hidden defensively wide on the right. It's counter-productive in any case as he's a capable defender and organiser around the middle.

Seems to me there is a blindingly obvious way to address both these issues even if it means going back on earlier comments and justifications laid out by the club skipper and/or club coach.

Re: Team Formation : Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:40 pm  

chapylad wrote:

Too many players are not doing it at the moment.
Ablett, Webb, Hardaker, JP, Bailey, Kylie, Smith and Sinfield.
Maybe it is because they have played too many games and are just plain knackered.
Some of them need a rest and or dropping.
If we continue letting Sinfield play at SO them we have no chance whatsoever.
Put Ward in at SO with McGuire SH and Burrow off the bench.
Unfortunately we have loaned out McShane otherwise he would be starting hooker.
Bring back Amor and give Singleton a game or three.
Put BJB/Hardaker to FB and give either Chisholm or Kleinhorst a run.
I am beginning to think Nantwhich is right and maybe move Hall to centre as he wont ever get a pass from Hardaker.
The Exiles game has come at the right time and it gives McD the opportunity to try some of the youngsters and let some of the old men have a break.




McDermott will not do it though.
Saints last night played a young kid at centre and he bagged 3 tries.
We were bossed once again by two decent half backs last night one who is nearing 34 and the other a kid making a name for himself.
We have a cracking set of youngsters yet we persist in using the same old week in week out.
If the players are picking the team then sack the players not the coach.
Every week our pack is battered out of sight. Try something new!!!!

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: Team Formation : Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:22 pm  

We had players making tackles on one side of the pitch having to run to the other side of the pitch to get back into their assigned position, hospital balls being lobbed with gay abandon and fluffing up into the air harmless kickoffs instead of using the conditions to at least make Warrington work hard.

A very bad day at the office. I wonder what was said in the impromptu huddle at the end?

Re: Team Formation : Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:42 am  

tvoc wrote:

If the CEO is genuinely asking whether this team has 'run it's course' then I wouldn't be looking forward to the appraisal that is awaiting the person who is responsible for contracting them to 2013 and beyond (Bailey apart?)

__________

Ward in the main showed last night that he has a spark that is needed at half-back and desperately lacking at pesent. Sinfield showed he can no longer be hidden defensively wide on the right. It's counter-productive in any case as he's a capable defender and organiser around the middle.

Seems to me there is a blindingly obvious way to address both these issues even if it means going back on earlier comments and justifications laid out by the club skipper and/or club coach.

I agree on all counts. There are things that are easily capable of being fixed.

Ward looks ready. It's time to show some faith in him. It's time to put Burrow at 7 and it's time for Sinfield to defend where a 13 would normally defend.

These are not the only issues but they would be a damn good start.

Re: Team Formation : Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:06 am  

G1 wrote:

tvoc wrote:

If the CEO is genuinely asking whether this team has 'run it's course' then I wouldn't be looking forward to the appraisal that is awaiting the person who is responsible for contracting them to 2013 and beyond (Bailey apart?)

__________

Ward in the main showed last night that he has a spark that is needed at half-back and desperately lacking at pesent. Sinfield showed he can no longer be hidden defensively wide on the right. It's counter-productive in any case as he's a capable defender and organiser around the middle.

Seems to me there is a blindingly obvious way to address both these issues even if it means going back on earlier comments and justifications laid out by the club skipper and/or club coach.

I agree on all counts. There are things that are easily capable of being fixed.

Ward looks ready. It's time to show some faith in him. It's time to put Burrow at 7 and it's time for Sinfield to defend where a 13 would normally defend.

These are not the only issues but they would be a damn good start.

I agree with the idea of your post, if not the actual implementation. I think there are lots of small things which are currently wrong, such as
Puzzling coach tactics
Players playing in positions not suited to them
Players playing an unsuitable amount of game time
Lack of attacking structure
Lack of defensive structure

A small improvement in some of them will see a dramatic improvement. Wholesale changes are not required, but there does need to be some changes

Re: Team Formation : Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:20 am  

if sinny can't play/can't be accommodated at LF, would Hooker be a good place to play him? Produced his best form for england playing at 9, and, as I recall, had a spell there during both 2007 and 2008 when Diskin was needing spelling.

The big question now is-whither McGuire? If Burrow returns to starting scrum-half, and Ward at starting stand-off, then Danny doesn't seem to have a place in the side. Given his loss of pace, his natural game no longer works at the very top level, though he is nearly our only player currently running good support lines.

Moving Sinfield would obviate the need for signing Lunt, and give McShane a chance to rotate the first choice berth next year, as well as taking the pressure off kev to play the full 80. This would, however, require a new captain, or at least vice captain, ready and able to take over. My money's on Burrow.

Re: Team Formation : Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:46 am  

When Webb goes then the way we attack will need a significant revamp unless you can get a similar player to Webb. Hardaker or BJB will be Slater type FB's where they come into the line and run through gaps as neither have a passing game.

That got me thinking about a replacement given that you cannot teach old dogs new tricks - what about Burrow as FB? He is a destructive runner at the line and can pass as well as most in the team giving him a more than one string to his bow.

Re: Team Formation : Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:55 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

When Webb goes then the way we attack will need a significant revamp unless you can get a similar player to Webb. Hardaker or BJB will be Slater type FB's where they come into the line and run through gaps as neither have a passing game.

That got me thinking about a replacement given that you cannot teach old dogs new tricks - what about Burrow as FB? He is a destructive runner at the line and can pass as well as most in the team giving him a more than one string to his bow.

I can see what you're saying but isn't he just too small?

What about Danny? Been tried in year's past. Has worked a treat for Tomkins.

Re: Team Formation : Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:14 pm  

I'd try McGuire at full back. Burrow at 7 and Ward at 6, Sinfield back to 13. Give Webb a rest and a chance to think about controlling his game better.
I'd stick Hardaker on the wing and let him get a feel for how frustrating it might be for Hall at the moment.

1. McGuire.
2. Hardaker
3. Smith
4. Ablett
5. Hall
6. Ward
7. Burrow

Another option might be to keep Webb and let Mags play 4 with Ablett at 3. Mags defends at 4 anyway, Hardaker is all over the shop.