Re: Youth set up merger : Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:47 am  

Only winner here in my mind is the Hul and district amateur leagues it means there won't be two clubs raping the youth system ,it would be even better if they brought back reserve team leagues the kids aren't serving there apprenticeships any more you can't learn off lids your own age the 16s play together then move up to under 19 how can you learn off kids your own age. There is too bigger gap from under 19 to superleague and the idea of dual registration is not working
You must have some old heads on the pitch with these kids on the front line teaching as they play. Never mind marque players spend the money on youth start reserve grades again this is the answer

Re: Youth set up merger : Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:51 am  

It's no coincidence Leeds saints Wigan are the top sides in the country when they invest heavily in there academy's and they breed a winning culture and mentality into there young lads so they are ready to step up to the 1st team, if both hull clubs ain't interested in doing that and want each other to foot half the bill then we will both be where we are now for a very long time

Re: Youth set up merger : Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:44 pm  

easthull4 wrote:

Only winner here in my mind is the Hul and district amateur leagues it means there won't be two clubs raping the youth system ,it would be even better if they brought back reserve team leagues the kids aren't serving there apprenticeships any more you can't learn off lids your own age the 16s play together then move up to under 19 how can you learn off kids your own age. There is too bigger gap from under 19 to superleague and the idea of dual registration is not working
You must have some old heads on the pitch with these kids on the front line teaching as they play. Never mind marque players spend the money on youth start reserve grades again this is the answer

Beat me to it, I agree 100%. each year around 50 young kids go into the youth setup at both our clubs very few make it & the clubs only require one or two of the very best if they actually need any at all (they only need so many to make a up team numbers) . Most of the youth players are lost to the local sides as they don't for various reasons go back to the local league. To my way of thinking the clubs should run a reserve grade & put a lot more effort into the local sides by the way of coaching & assisting with promotion of the game through schools using their star players to draw the kids in to the game, this will benefit everyone reduce cost's a little.

Re: Youth set up merger : Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:48 pm  

Beverley red wrote: Beat me to it, I agree 100%. each year around 50 young kids go into the youth setup at both our clubs very few make it & the clubs only require one or two of the very best if they actually need any at all (they only need so many to make a up team numbers) . Most of the youth players are lost to the local sides as they don't for various reasons go back to the local league. To my way of thinking the clubs should run a reserve grade & put a lot more effort into the local sides by the way of coaching & assisting with promotion of the game through schools using their star players to draw the kids in to the game, this will benefit everyone reduce cost's a little. That bit at the end is probably what they should b merging, if anything is to be merged. Investment in grassroots & participation numbers. I'm involved in junior RL in Leeds, so I'm not fully clued up on the junior setup in Hull, and the Rhinos have it spot on. The Leeds Foundation over the past 18 months or so have been supporting local sides in setting up U7's teams. From none, they now have around 7 clubs with an U7's, and they're setting up a new one tonight: https://twitter.com/farnley_falcons. They regularly run master classes with Brian Mac for local coaches, offer a great support network, and also help with fundraising. This is what both clubs should be putting their efforts into, not some ridiculous merged academy.

Beverley red wrote: Beat me to it, I agree 100%. each year around 50 young kids go into the youth setup at both our clubs very few make it & the clubs only require one or two of the very best if they actually need any at all (they only need so many to make a up team numbers) . Most of the youth players are lost to the local sides as they don't for various reasons go back to the local league. To my way of thinking the clubs should run a reserve grade & put a lot more effort into the local sides by the way of coaching & assisting with promotion of the game through schools using their star players to draw the kids in to the game, this will benefit everyone reduce cost's a little. That bit at the end is probably what they should b merging, if anything is to be merged. Investment in grassroots & participation numbers. I'm involved in junior RL in Leeds, so I'm not fully clued up on the junior setup in Hull, and the Rhinos have it spot on. The Leeds Foundation over the past 18 months or so have been supporting local sides in setting up U7's teams. From none, they now have around 7 clubs with an U7's, and they're setting up a new one tonight: https://twitter.com/farnley_falcons. They regularly run master classes with Brian Mac for local coaches, offer a great support network, and also help with fundraising. This is what both clubs should be putting their efforts into, not some ridiculous merged academy.

Re: Youth set up merger : Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:52 pm  

I have grave doubts about this and I worry that hull kr will get shafted by hull fc over talent

Re: Youth set up merger : Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:18 pm  

The academies at both Hull and Rovers are full of a large number of slightly better than average players who have to be signed on to 19s level in order for the clubs to field sides. Very few of those playing at the 16s or 19s will ever really be good enough to push for a place in a SL team's starting line up. If this combined academy means that it is made of the absolute cream of Hull amateur RL then competition for places and playing with the best players of your age group can only make young players better IMO. That is the big benefit as far as I can see.

Re: Youth set up merger : Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:51 pm  

another fine mess wrote:

I have grave doubts about this and I worry that hull kr will get shafted by hull fc over talent

Tbf I can't see hudgel allowing that can you ?

Re: Youth set up merger : Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:42 pm  

Jamie peacock gave a interview saying he will do his best to get the best young local talent to hull kr how will that work now? If he finds say 2 good lads from Leeds and brings them into the set up are they half ours half hulls?

[Mild Rover]

Re: Youth set up merger : Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:21 pm  

I've felt for a while that regional academies offering better (rather than more) opportunities was a good idea, in a competition played at a higher standard.

5 or 6 stepping up each year to full-time training from ~50 players across both squads currently. It might just be 5 or 6 from one squad of 25 in the future, but tbf but that's still a fair bit of wastage.

Be interesting to see how it turns out. If anybody else wants to do it differently, they just need a few hundred thousand £s to keep their club afloat in SL each year.

Wigan and Leeds invest heavily, not so much because they're wiser, but mostly because they're richer.

Re: Youth set up merger : Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:13 am  

Clubs current academy players that move to the new club are ring fenced to that club for four years.