Re: Karalius Cup Sunday 18 January : Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:57 pm  

I think you will find it was graff who was binned VM

But how did that thug wellens get away scott free after he did a 'ben flower' is beyond me

I just hope the rfl will ban him after seeing the footage or will another 'BIG 4' get away with blue murder

Btw what a great win and we deserved as well

Re: Karalius Cup Sunday 18 January : Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:01 pm  

welsh wizard wrote:

I think you will find it was graff who was binned VM

But how did that thug wellens get away scott free after he did a 'ben flower' is beyond me

I just hope the rfl will ban him after seeing the footage or will another 'BIG 4' get away with blue murder

Btw what a great win and we deserved as well

Thats what i said mate but yes Wellens got away with murder in that incident.

Re: Karalius Cup Sunday 18 January : Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:08 pm  

I'm made up with that result. A real confidence booster to Dennis and the lads. Surprised at Wellens as he's usually a good level headed professional. Until today I've had huge respect for the guy.

Can't wait for the Wigan game...

Re: Karalius Cup Sunday 18 January : Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:12 pm  

-VIKINGMAN- wrote:

welsh wizard wrote:

I think you will find it was graff who was binned VM

But how did that thug wellens get away scott free after he did a 'ben flower' is beyond me

I just hope the rfl will ban him after seeing the footage or will another 'BIG 4' get away with blue murder

Btw what a great win and we deserved as well

Thats what i said mate but yes Wellens got away with murder in that incident.

Sorry VM my bad

Re: Karalius Cup Sunday 18 January : Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:47 pm  

Might actually have been Wilkin who threw the punch, thought it was Wellens at the time, either way a poop house tactic. Should have seen red.

Re: Karalius Cup Sunday 18 January : Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:03 am  

WirralViking wrote:

That is a very impressive result, couldn't make it today and wondered how they would perform. It will be interesting to get a few views from those who went. Always difficult to assess what if anything such pre-season games mean for the regular season, but we get hold of an actual trophy for the first time which is encouraging!

What will be useful to hear is how particular players performed. All our tries from outside backs, which is encouraging, since this is a perceived area of weakness. "Widnes Academy" will have mixed feelings being a Saints fan, but with his son Declan scoring two against them to win the game!

I have no mixed feelings "WV" he got NO TEA and it was WILKIN who threw the punch into Graff ,and it wasn't just the one - wont matter anyhow when he gets banned - the guy wont be getting much game time this year thank god.

Thought Widnes did okay but the noticeable difference "whoever was on the pitch" was the speed of the play the ball - Saints far quicker and if it wasn't for the brilliant Paddy Flynn we would have been out of sight

Still cant understand why he hasnt got a Red V on his shirt

Re: Karalius Cup Sunday 18 January : Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:35 pm  

What's promising is that we are increasing the options we have to put on the park. The team almost picked itself last year and now we've competition in the back line and front row, with the 'pivotal' players being quite obvious. Healthy position to be in and stands up in good stead. Galea will add competition for the back row and now Hulme has put his hand up for a centre spot.

Re: Karalius Cup Sunday 18 January : Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:52 pm  

centrefold wrote:

I have no mixed feelings "WV" he got NO TEA and it was WILKIN who threw the punch into Graff ,and it wasn't just the one - wont matter anyhow when he gets banned - the guy wont be getting much game time this year thank god.

Thought Widnes did okay but the noticeable difference "whoever was on the pitch" was the speed of the play the ball - Saints far quicker and if it wasn't for the brilliant Paddy Flynn we would have been out of sight

Still cant understand why he hasnt got a Red V on his shirt

Now I'm sure you were proud when he took his tries! I was rather hoping that our PTB would speed up a bit now Clarke had exited the scene, perhaps not too much with White, but I thought Heremaia might give us a bit more zip! I assume Gore got a bit more playing time at 9 (or was it Carberry?), again he is solid and reliable rather than spectacular. I know he is probably destined for other things but if we really want more zip there Gilmore has got the skills to speed things up and offer a few options.

Paddy is black and white through and through now, every time he sees a red V he wants to knock it over!

Re: Karalius Cup Sunday 18 January : Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:00 pm  

We have White, Heremaia, Carberry and Gore than can play 9, doubt Gilmore will ever come into the equation when Denis picks his hooking options.

He's 4th in line at half back too behind Mellor, Brown and Craven. Plenty of time for Tom yet.

Re: Karalius Cup Sunday 18 January : Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:27 pm  

AJ Viking wrote:

We have White, Heremaia, Carberry and Gore than can play 9, doubt Gilmore will ever come into the equation when Denis picks his hooking options.

He's 4th in line at half back too behind Mellor, Brown and Craven. Plenty of time for Tom yet.

I'm sure you are right about where Tom currently sits, but I was making a point about who has the skills to speed up our PTB. I haven't seen either pre-season game so can't comment upon how Heremaia has gone, but looking back to last season White was getting better at varying his play but it was still a bit pedestrian, Carberry was strong in the tackle and had a strong pass, but again not really nippy, Gore again varied his play but wasn't lightening fast (not that he got much game time!). Craven was very laboured when covering at 9, making almost a separate movement in picking the ball up, standing up and then passing. I accept that you have put him in as half back cover, but there was a time last season when it appeared that Gilmore had overtaken Craven and I think he has a fair bit to prove to get back to his early promise, lets hope he does get back his confidence and form.

Gilmore despite lacking a bit of size showed a keen rugby brain and good skills, he could offer that bit of extra zip at 9, but as you suggest it is unlikely he will cover there as we have so many players for whom 9 is their main position. At least things will have improved speed wise now Clarke is no longer there. We just need a bit of variety and clear decision making, as Clarke often seemed caught in two minds as to whether to pass or scoot, allowing defences to blot out whatever move he finally decided to make!

Its important that we have alternative play makers to Brown to avoid KB being marked out of the game. I don't know what evidence there has been of Manuokafoa's offloading game, but that could be another channel of attack we haven't had before, since the opposition could pretty well guarantee non of our props would ever pass or offload, so they could defend accordingly. Nice to be able to create a bit of doubt and uncertainty in the minds of defenders.