Re: O/T: Wgan and the Salary cap : Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:21 pm  

KingRoss11 wrote:

You can take Sam Tomkins away from there because he's a marquee player, and if you look at them players really, do you think they add up to 1.8 million, I doubt they do

Wane is certainly quoted after the Warrington game as saying that he had a million pounds sat in the stands (or training in the gym instead of playing). I'm no expert on Wigan, but by my reckoning the senior players missing that day were Sam Tomkins, Gelling, McIlorum, Flower and Bateman, as well as Williams and Crosby. So if we assume Tomkins accounts for £100k as a home grown marquee player, then the other 6 are sharing £900k (Wow).

So on that basis, yes, I can well believe the combined salaries of the rest of your squad, inc. Sarginson, Manfredi, Gildart, Charnley, Smith, Powell, Clubb, Farrell, Joel Tomkins, O'Loughlin, Tautai, Isa and anyone else that played that day add up to at least £850k. Can't you?

That is based on a direct quote from your coach (who should know) versus the squad of players that took to the field that day.

Re: O/T: Wgan and the Salary cap : Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:16 am  

Mars wrote:

Wane is certainly quoted after the Warrington game as saying that he had a million pounds sat in the stands (or training in the gym instead of playing). I'm no expert on Wigan, but by my reckoning the senior players missing that day were Sam Tomkins, Gelling, McIlorum, Flower and Bateman, as well as Williams and Crosby. So if we assume Tomkins accounts for £100k as a home grown marquee player, then the other 6 are sharing £900k (Wow).

So on that basis, yes, I can well believe the combined salaries of the rest of your squad, inc. Sarginson, Manfredi, Gildart, Charnley, Smith, Powell, Clubb, Farrell, Joel Tomkins, O'Loughlin, Tautai, Isa and anyone else that played that day add up to at least £850k. Can't you?

That is based on a direct quote from your coach (who should know) versus the squad of players that took to the field that day.

Yes I can agree with you too a point when you look at it like that, but we wouldn't sign Nuuausala if we couldn't fit him on the cap, we're not that dumb to do that, plus Canberra are paying at least 30% of his wages for the first season so he'll fit on the cap

Re: O/T: Wgan and the Salary cap : Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:55 am  

KingRoss11 wrote: Yes I can agree with you too a point when you look at it like that, but we wouldn't sign Nuuausala if we couldn't fit him on the cap, we're not that dumb to do that, plus Canberra are paying at least 30% of his wages for the first season so he'll fit on the cap http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/wakefield/5108914.stm Similar quote almost 10 years to the day, your right Wigan are not that dumb are they?

KingRoss11 wrote: Yes I can agree with you too a point when you look at it like that, but we wouldn't sign Nuuausala if we couldn't fit him on the cap, we're not that dumb to do that, plus Canberra are paying at least 30% of his wages for the first season so he'll fit on the cap http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/wakefield/5108914.stm Similar quote almost 10 years to the day, your right Wigan are not that dumb are they?

Re: O/T: Wgan and the Salary cap : Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:01 pm  

I've heard that Wigan are still operating well below their £3bn salary cap.

Re: O/T: Wgan and the Salary cap : Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:43 am  

Mars wrote:

Wane is certainly quoted after the Warrington game as saying that he had a million pounds sat in the stands (or training in the gym instead of playing). I'm no expert on Wigan, but by my reckoning the senior players missing that day were Sam Tomkins, Gelling, McIlorum, Flower and Bateman, as well as Williams and Crosby. So if we assume Tomkins accounts for £100k as a home grown marquee player, then the other 6 are sharing £900k (Wow).

So on that basis, yes, I can well believe the combined salaries of the rest of your squad, inc. Sarginson, Manfredi, Gildart, Charnley, Smith, Powell, Clubb, Farrell, Joel Tomkins, O'Loughlin, Tautai, Isa and anyone else that played that day add up to at least £850k. Can't you?

That is based on a direct quote from your coach (who should know) versus the squad of players that took to the field that day.

You obviously don't understand the salary cap rules.
The £1.85 million is the base line. Have a look at the marque rule, the 10 year rule and most importantly the academy International produces player rule. Just to give you a bit of help, HKR will get an additional £10K cap allowance for Scott Taylor playing for England and the same applies for Josh Hodgson. Now look at how many Wigan academy produced players are /have been in the England teams recently.
Go and do your research.

btw A player will be leaving Wigan almost immediately to free up the cap space for Frank-Paul Nu'uausala and some of his salary I believe is still being paid by Canberra
hth

Re: O/T: Wgan and the Salary cap : Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:26 am  

Bateman?

Re: O/T: Wgan and the Salary cap : Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:31 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

You obviously don't understand the salary cap rules.
The £1.85 million is the base line. Have a look at the marque rule, the 10 year rule and most importantly the academy International produces player rule. Just to give you a bit of help, HKR will get an additional £10K cap allowance for Scott Taylor playing for England and the same applies for Josh Hodgson. Now look at how many Wigan academy produced players are /have been in the England teams recently.
Go and do your research.

btw A player will be leaving Wigan almost immediately to free up the cap space for Frank-Paul Nu'uausala and some of his salary I believe is still being paid by Canberra
hth

You can play with numbers all you like, my point was that it's not hard to envisage Wigan being at full cap if, per Shaun Wane's statement, Bateman, McIlorum, Gelling, Flower, Williams and Crosby are sharing £900k between them. Adding Tomkins assumed £100k and bearing in mind the quality of the rest of your squad, based on that salary scale we could easily assume Wigan are at full cap, whether that's £1.85 million or £2 million.

If Wigan are releasing someone of equal quality to FPN (Bateman?) then fair enough, maybe his contract is back-loaded, maybe Canberra are paying part of his salary as Canterbury are with Pritchard, I don't care. My point being that based on the comments of your own coach it's hard to imagine Wigan aren't at full cap at the moment and therefore need to release someone to make this work.

Re: O/T: Wgan and the Salary cap : Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:56 pm  

As a kind of outsider the Hull squad looks a more expensive line up than the Wigan one, Taylor, Ellis, Pritchard, Manu & Sneyd must be taking up a fair chunk. Even with FPN Wigan's squad don't look like a squad that is pushing cap rules compared to other years.

Re: O/T: Wgan and the Salary cap : Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:14 pm  

Mars wrote:

You can play with numbers all you like, my point was that it's not hard to envisage Wigan being at full cap if, per Shaun Wane's statement, Bateman, McIlorum, Gelling, Flower, Williams and Crosby are sharing £900k between them. Adding Tomkins assumed £100k and bearing in mind the quality of the rest of your squad, based on that salary scale we could easily assume Wigan are at full cap, whether that's £1.85 million or £2 million.

If Wigan are releasing someone of equal quality to FPN (Bateman?) then fair enough, maybe his contract is back-loaded, maybe Canberra are paying part of his salary as Canterbury are with Pritchard, I don't care. My point being that based on the comments of your own coach it's hard to imagine Wigan aren't at full cap at the moment and therefore need to release someone to make this work.

And as Rogues says "If" Wigan release someone will that satisfy you?
Because I can't understand what your point is? "If" Wigan release/Sell whatever you name it a Player then surely that would be an indication that they are up to the cap and needed to do so to get FPN in?

Where as anyone said otherwise?

PS - If he said he had a Million pounds sat in the stand wouldn't that be different to having a Million "Salary cap" pounds sat in the stand.

Assuming the other way that Sam is say on 300k then the other 6 are on 700k - Does that sound more feasible?

PPS - Bateman played however - Farrell/Joel Tomkins/Manfredi & Sean O'Loughlin were also missing so as I suspected 9 players out on either 850k or 700k dependant on what Wane meant.
Seems about right to me

Re: O/T: Wgan and the Salary cap : Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:39 pm  

Firstly the cap is live now so the RFL won't permit any club to register a player if it takes them over. Secondly, and more importantly we are a different club now, Dave Whelan and Uncle Mo hugely underestimated the negative effects of a salary cap breach and I don't think they even cared. Ian Leneghan runs the club in a very different way, the admin side of the club are far more professional and wouldn't drag our club through the gutter like the previous regime.