Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 6:05 pm  

Cronk could have played in his suit , He had all the time in the world to place his kicks were Smiths were rushed . Our right side defense also looked shakey when anybody ran at it .

Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:09 pm  

B0NES wrote:

Cronk could have played in his suit , He had all the time in the world to place his kicks were Smiths were rushed . Our right side defense also looked shakey when anybody ran at it .

And smith got hit with a few late shots after kicks as well which the ref never even batted a eyelid at, we should put Cronkite under the same pressure although I've no doubt we would of got penalised for it.

Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:14 pm  

Watched the game twice over. An each time i've watched it, it's just a load of rubbish.

First half we played well, chucked the ball around an ran some good lines. Australia couldn't cope. We should have been at least 3 tries up come half time.
Second half it seemed we were defending the lead. Australia stepped up a gear and we left it until 5 mins before end to get into second gear.

Hodgson i feel shouldn't play against the Kiwi's. He's not a scapegoat but just feel he needs a year in NRL before being considered again. O'loughlin needs to go bye bye. Yes he's good but he's a has bin. Other players need a wake up call also.
But we need a coach who will pick players on form and not by name or club. McNamara isn't good enough at all, even Agar as a coach would of but 30 on the aussies today.

Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:37 pm  

We had the better halves. Cronk was non-existent and Cherry-Evans was doing his best impression of a Whitby crab.

We lacked belief today, that should come from the coach.

Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:10 pm  

Just one point. How the hell does Joel Tomkins get into the England starting 17. I know he plays for Wigan, I know he scored a long distance try in a Challenge Cup final, I know he is a dual code international, but he is so average he gives average a bad name.

Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:38 pm  

Hull FC since 50s wrote:

Just one point. How the hell does Joel Tomkins get into the England starting 17. I know he plays for Wigan, I know he scored a long distance try in a Challenge Cup final, I know he is a dual code international, but he is so average he gives average a bad name.

No wonder england ru binned him, he's rubbish

Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:06 pm  

He was a marginal selection before he went to yawnion. Knowing the negative effect that has on players skills to be selected after a handful of games on his return when there is no time to see evidence of any improvement at all is not just mystifying, but a slap in the face to those SL candidates left behind. The one selection that cannot be justified in any way.

Re: 4 Nations : Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:27 am  

I reckon we'll be without Farrell for the NZ game and O'Loughlin will be sweating too after that trip. Fortunately we've got Whitehead and Westerman (both of whom should have started yesterday). What did O'Loughlin do, apart from give away penalties?

Re: 4 Nations : Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:50 am  

Does any1 know the penalty count, the ref seemed to piggy back them up the field when they struggled to make any decent yards. We seemed to get very little from the officials or maybe it's just me being bias

Re: 4 Nations : Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:06 am  

Chris28 wrote:

I reckon we'll be without Farrell for the NZ game and O'Loughlin will be sweating too after that trip. Fortunately we've got Whitehead and Westerman (both of whom should have started yesterday). What did O'Loughlin do, apart from give away penalties?

Both have been cleared to play v NZ. I agree with you that Whitehead should be in there, probably for Joel Tomkins of the three.

Westerman ahead of O'Loughlin is a difficult one. I'd go with O'Loughlin, although Westy played well vs Samoa, and does seem his natural successor at 13 for England.