Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:11 am  

[quote="deslawson"]

Agree about clark made a big difference when he was on,but what do we expect but poor decisions,when we have a clown like mcnamara as coach,I do believe our current squad is as good as aussie and the kiwi's, and one of the best we have ever had IMO.

You make a very good point because against a very iffy Aussie side our rotations were poor and off field decisions questionable with our props out on their feet in the last ten minutes. Plus how Whitehead doesn't get In I don't know . However I would ask this question, how many times over at Craven Park and at the KC and indeed across the league have we seen a great competitive close game when as we walk away all everyone is discussing is the officials.

Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:32 am  

[quote="The Dentist Wilf"]
I watched on premier sports and the "try" of jennings looked very doubtful,sterlo and ray warren wondered why he had gone to the video ref and when you saw it in slow motion he lost it. Apparently on bbc they didnt make much of a big deal of it. I agree 100% what you say about the ref decisions.

Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:53 am  

We lost because of our inability to change things. Once the Aussies brought Hunt on and moved Smith to 13 they grabbed the initiative. We should have countered this by taking O'Loughlin off and putting a prop at 13, brought Clark back on and just probed behind the ruck.
Sarginson was the only Wigan player to have a decent game. Smith was average and Tomkins, Charnley, Lockers & Farrell were very poor.
Shame we don't have a decent back up at FB because the golden boy has been woeful in this series.

Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:10 am  

Joel, Ferres and Farell are all bang average. Whitehead had a fantastic season yet is no where to be seen yet.

Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:35 pm  

Back row was tripe really and how Whitehead hasn't featured is a bad indictment on McNamara. Despite that England were better than Australia and should have won. A combination of poor game management and a shift in the way the game was refereed in the second half did for us in the end. The video referee ruling that 'the ball was rising as Hall touched it' is undoubtedly a biased work of fiction but we bring it on ourselves by simply agreeing to the farcical setup of being refereed by Australians against Australia.

Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:36 pm  

I'm somewhat annoyed by o loughlin too.
Not fit. Barely played any mins. Gave away dumb pens. As captain needs to be honest. Upto coach really but he ain't upto it. See how much rotation back row got? More than front row yet they all do 80 or near for clubs. Front rows did massive mins especially graham

Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:40 pm  

Imo we have the best available squad in the tournament,but one of the worst coaches in the sport,as you say whitehead has been a standout all season yet our useless coach cant see it.This is a tournament that we will never have a better chance of winning.Mcnamara makes radford look like the mastercoach wayne bennett.

Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:18 pm  

deslawson wrote:

Imo we have the best available squad in the tournament,but one of the worst coaches in the sport,as you say whitehead has been a standout all season yet our useless coach cant see it.This is a tournament that we will never have a better chance of winning.Mcnamara makes radford look like the mastercoach wayne bennett.

Agree with all of this. First half we played some decent rugby, throwing it around on the back of a decent go forward.

Whatever McNamara said at half time seemed to act as though he'd placed sleeping pils in the drinks. We went ultra conservative, Agar like, 5 drives and a kick, even kicking to touch like we were trying to see out time with the lead we had.

For my money McNamara is damaged goods. Cut from the same cloth as previous generations of GB players who are mentally scarred by Kangaroo's hidings of the past.

We will never have a better chance of beating an Aussie team on home soil and he bombed it because he didn't have the belief that his players could have ran them over and put 30 points on them. If we'd carried on as we did first half I think we'd have crushed them. Instead he seems to love playing the unlucky losers tag over the VR decsion. Wish Hall had got nowhere near it so he couldn't focus on that.

If we lose next week he should walk the plank.

Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:41 pm  

Just watched the Greg Inglis drag into touch on Clark, I thought he should have got 10 minutes for this as it stopped a try scoring opportunity, as none of the Aussies were back to defend, albeit we scored through kallum Watkins in that set, but it just shows they get away with cheating.

Re: 4 Nations : Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:43 pm  

Hodgson offered nothing whatsoever. Shame because he's a good hooker in some areas.

Charnley isn't good enough either. Only Hall and Graham really caught the eye. Graham ran himself into the ground today. One of the worlds best forwards.

McNamara is fecking clueless. That Aus team weren't as good as Samoa was last week. NZ will destroy us.