[Kosh]

Re: Catalan then... : Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:11 pm  

*1865* wrote:

I don't agree at all and certainly see Fonua as the major reason we've conceded so much down that side in the last two games. He shoots out the line far too quickly and leaves a massive gap between him and his winger. Even when we line up as they play the ball he's too far inside on most occasions.
That side and the system can only be as strong as it's weakest link and Fonua has been very weak positionally and his defensive reads at centre are awful.
Naughton switching sides hasn't helped him and I certainly have him at fault for one of the tries down that side last night. If Naughton gets dropped for Micheals before Fonua it will be an injustice to the kid.

I agree that Fonua has been suspect in defence but having watched the tries back I'm not sure that was the case last night. First one is down to Pryce for mine, second one is Naughton jamming in, and third is the whole defence failing to slide.

I'll have another look but at first viewing that's what I saw.

Re: Catalan then... : Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:11 pm  

hull2524 wrote:

Main problem for me is we don't slide over enough leaving fonua and naughton isolated. Pryce isn't cutting it for me. Tuimvare should have a crack at stand off when fit

The problem for the two try's I'm talking about is Fonua doesn't slide at all. He's not mobile enough for a centre.

Re: Catalan then... : Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:13 pm  

Kosh wrote:

I agree that Fonua has been suspect in defence but having watched the tries back I'm not sure that was the case last night. First one is down to Pryce for mine, second one is Naughton jamming in, and third is the whole defence failing to slide.

I'll have another look but at first viewing that's what I saw.

When you look back, watch who he's actually lined up against. 2nd and 3rd try he's taking the wrong man leaving Naughton with 2 men and no choice but to jam in.

Re: Catalan then... : Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:35 pm  

Thought Sneyd was great last night, Glenn Stewart was trying to make him his bitch but he just kept going. Not many halves that'd 1-on-1 tackle a player his size successfully.

Re: Catalan then... : Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:45 pm  

*1865* wrote:

When you look back, watch who he's actually lined up against. 2nd and 3rd try he's taking the wrong man leaving Naughton with 2 men and no choice but to jam in.

Get real. The footage is clear cut. Do u think he is superman and can stop everything
It's really clear and very simple footage
How in Gods name can 2 tries outside of the winger be centres fault?
Also after 1st he kicked off at pryce n Pryce accepted it!!

Re: Catalan then... : Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:52 pm  

Don't get see how Naughton's effort in first half wasn't a try, looked like he grounded it.

Re: Catalan then... : Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:57 pm  

airliebird,runninglate! wrote:

Get real. The footage is clear cut. Do u think he is superman and can stop everything
It's really clear and very simple footage
How in Gods name can 2 tries outside of the winger be centres fault?
Also after 1st he kicked off at pryce n Pryce accepted it!!

I'm not talking about the 1st, I'm talking about their 2nd & 3rd! I agree the first was Pryce's fault.

2 tries outside a winger can be the Centres fault when that Centre marks up wrong forcing the winger to jam in. A centre and winger defend in pairs, if the centre goes in so should the winger. Naughton did that, if he'd stayed out wide the Centre gets a walk in. Identifying your man is under 8's stuff.

[Kosh]

Re: Catalan then... : Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:50 pm  

*1865* wrote:

I'm not talking about the 1st, I'm talking about their 2nd & 3rd! I agree the first was Pryce's fault.

2 tries outside a winger can be the Centres fault when that Centre marks up wrong forcing the winger to jam in. A centre and winger defend in pairs, if the centre goes in so should the winger. Naughton did that, if he'd stayed out wide the Centre gets a walk in. Identifying your man is under 8's stuff.

As I said, I'll have another look but for the third try it seemed to me that Naughton, Fonua, and Pryce are correctly spaced but the whole defence has failed to slide leading to the overlap.

Second try it seemed to me that Fonua was the right distance from Pryce but Naughton had jammed in and was too close to Fonua. Whether that was a lack of confidence in his centre or just a bad defensive read I'm not sure.

Re: Catalan then... : Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:29 pm  

Forget which side they score on, 4 out of the 5 tries were directly from a penalty. It happens every single week. We simply cannot defend from a penalty. I don't know what happens to the mindset of the team, but I can almost guarantee that in the set of 6 from a penalty, we will concede.
The discipline will cost us dearly.

Re: Catalan then... : Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:40 pm  

the cal train wrote:

Thought Sneyd was great last night, Glenn Stewart was trying to make him his bitch but he just kept going. Not many halves that'd 1-on-1 tackle a player his size successfully.

Think we have a genuine class scrum half on our hands with Sneyd. Been a long wait for one.
Doesn't always get it right, but he's still got a lot of improvement in him.