Re: Six signed up, Reece Dean to leave : Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:20 am  

Dave K. wrote:

The first part isn't true and either shows your bias or lack of knowledge of our academy players, Dean hasn't represented his country while Litten and Turgut has, Dean certainly has the talent, but the coaching staff think he lacks something to make it to the very top out they would have made sure he stayed.

We have heard it all before about top young players and often they don't quite turn out to be the players expected Luke Briscoe and Tommy Lee Spring to mind.

We will have to see how it turns out and I hope he does well, we have made many mistakes releasing academy players on the past, only Hodgson, but that was due to circumstances of having to great hookers at the time.

I do agree with you, if I was Dean I'd be going over to Aus next year for many reason and not just the rugby.

I'd agree about Luke Briscoe but Tommy Lee has had a decent career

Re: Six signed up, Reece Dean to leave : Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:25 am  

fun time frankie wrote:

I'd agree about Luke Briscoe but Tommy Lee has had a decent career

He is OK, certainly not a top player, he looked like he could be.

Re: Six signed up, Reece Dean to leave : Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:44 pm  

Reece is signing for the Canadian team.

Re: Six signed up, Reece Dean to leave : Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:39 pm  

A good move IMO, get regularly game time against experienced players, good money, playing under good coaching staff and the chance to live in Canada for a good part of the year aswell as free travel back to the UK. I'd be tempted to loan them a couple of our young players for a year.

Re: Six signed up, Reece Dean to leave : Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:11 pm  

Just a few points for clarification: When a player signs an initial full time contract for the academy it is for 2 years, this is under the umbrella of the AASE program (advanced apprenticeship in sporting excellence). This is a formal apprenticeship administered by Loughborough University and as with any apprenticeship the government pays each player/apprentice £98.00 per week. Generally clubs do not broadcast this government funding and it is not mentioned to the players upon signing, neither is it mentioned in their contract of employment. If at 16 a club values a player they will then pay him extra on top of the apprentice wage. This is by far the exception rather than the norm.
After 2 years, AASE program completed, the government funding is no longer available, so if a club wants to retain a player they have to wholly fund his wages themselves. At this point the player is 18 and will be lucky if he is offered £6,000 PA. Again there are exceptions to this but now a player could be offered less or more again depending on how they are valued. However for an 18 year old young man to commit to such a low annual salary they are taking a significant risk. Also as part of their terms of employment these young men are also expected to go round schools in the afternoons undertaking club foundation work.
In my opinion we as a sport treat our young players appallingly, we rely on their dreams. We need to start paying them all a salary they can at least live off. They even have to buy their own boots for god’s sake, at least the company I work for supplies my workwear. If Mike Ashley employed rugby league under 19’s players he would be dragged before a parliamentary select committee being asked as to explain why he was paying less than national minimum wage.

Re: Six signed up, Reece Dean to leave : Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:14 am  

Define a 'living wage' for an 18year old? I'm not saying I disagree with paying academy players a decent wage and clearly Hull as with any/many other clubs that want to keep hold of players that show talent/played for country etc will pay more for those in that bracket. However, I'd like to see any money over a certain amount put into a trust fund for them, young kids and money are often not a good mix, as I would expect the vast majority of these lads are still living at home and no family of their own to provide for and they don't 'need' a large sum to go out on the sozzle. If they do get let go by a club then at least that trust fund would help if they can't find a club elsewhere and are looking for a job outside of the sport.

Equipment for work should however be provided for by clubs, that to my mind is disgraceful If kids are having to pay for their own workwear.

Re: Six signed up, Reece Dean to leave : Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:37 pm  

The Dog Walker wrote:

Just a few points for clarification: When a player signs an initial full time contract for the academy it is for 2 years, this is under the umbrella of the AASE program (advanced apprenticeship in sporting excellence). This is a formal apprenticeship administered by Loughborough University and as with any apprenticeship the government pays each player/apprentice £98.00 per week. Generally clubs do not broadcast this government funding and it is not mentioned to the players upon signing, neither is it mentioned in their contract of employment. If at 16 a club values a player they will then pay him extra on top of the apprentice wage. This is by far the exception rather than the norm.
After 2 years, AASE program completed, the government funding is no longer available, so if a club wants to retain a player they have to wholly fund his wages themselves. At this point the player is 18 and will be lucky if he is offered £6,000 PA. Again there are exceptions to this but now a player could be offered less or more again depending on how they are valued. However for an 18 year old young man to commit to such a low annual salary they are taking a significant risk. Also as part of their terms of employment these young men are also expected to go round schools in the afternoons undertaking club foundation work.
In my opinion we as a sport treat our young players appallingly, we rely on their dreams. We need to start paying them all a salary they can at least live off. They even have to buy their own boots for god’s sake, at least the company I work for supplies my workwear. If Mike Ashley employed rugby league under 19’s players he would be dragged before a parliamentary select committee being asked as to explain why he was paying less than national minimum wage.

In the interest of balance, how many hours do they "work"?

Re: Six signed up, Reece Dean to leave : Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:14 pm  

Sounds as though HTW had a decent debut for York yesterday - set up a few tries, scored one and 100% conversion rate