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Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:15 am  

kavos wildcat wrote:

Think the 2004 team was the fittest we've had in super league. Geoff evans was the conditioner if im right. We would be outlasting teams and running full tilt in the last half hour. Think a big reason it went downhill in 2005 was Evans left and was replaced with a body builder (Trypass), that and the Ellis saga and Julien oneil made for a crap season. Imagine if wed of kicked on eh

Easily the fittest. We used to go in at HT with fairly even scorelines and then blow teams away in the second half.

Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:48 pm  

http://www.totalrl.com/garry-schofield- ... edictions/ Gary Schofield talks nonsense......predicting Trinity will finish 11th and saying the following... Last year they had a great season, and the appointment of Chris Chester was a masterstroke because if Brian Smith had stayed they’d now be in the Championship. The halfbacks worked well for them last year and I think they need to keep faith in them. They don’t have the biggest pack of forwards, but they do well at home and they’ll pick up enough points at Belle Vue to keep them off the bottom. Don't have the biggest forwards? David Fifita 6 foot 4 tall 18 1/2 stone Anthony England 6 foot 4 tall 17 1/2 stone Keegan Hirst 6 foot 4 tall 18 stone Anthony Walker 6 foot tall 16 1/2 stone Danny Kirmond 6 foot 1 tall 16 stone Johnny Molloy 6 foot 2 tall 16 stone Tinirau Arona 5 foot 11 tall 16 stone Matty Ashurst 6 foot 2 tall 15 1/2 stone This doesn't include a possible Mitchell Allgood 6 foot 4 tall 17 stone or Craig Huby 6 foot 2 tall 17 stone...As for his comments about 'keeping faith with the same half backs' we have also made one of the best possible signings in Sam Williams who has to be one of the first on the team sheet at scrum half. If Trinity sign Allgood and Huby it's worth a press release like Giants did a couple of years ago emphasising that they had one of the biggest packs in Super League but Trinity can in addition to a big pack also emphasise that they also have one of the quickest back lines in Super League with Johnstone, Caton-Brown, Jones-Bishop, Lynne, Miller and Jowitt

http://www.totalrl.com/garry-schofield- ... edictions/ Gary Schofield talks nonsense......predicting Trinity will finish 11th and saying the following... Last year they had a great season, and the appointment of Chris Chester was a masterstroke because if Brian Smith had stayed they’d now be in the Championship. The halfbacks worked well for them last year and I think they need to keep faith in them. They don’t have the biggest pack of forwards, but they do well at home and they’ll pick up enough points at Belle Vue to keep them off the bottom. Don't have the biggest forwards? David Fifita 6 foot 4 tall 18 1/2 stone Anthony England 6 foot 4 tall 17 1/2 stone Keegan Hirst 6 foot 4 tall 18 stone Anthony Walker 6 foot tall 16 1/2 stone Danny Kirmond 6 foot 1 tall 16 stone Johnny Molloy 6 foot 2 tall 16 stone Tinirau Arona 5 foot 11 tall 16 stone Matty Ashurst 6 foot 2 tall 15 1/2 stone This doesn't include a possible Mitchell Allgood 6 foot 4 tall 17 stone or Craig Huby 6 foot 2 tall 17 stone...As for his comments about 'keeping faith with the same half backs' we have also made one of the best possible signings in Sam Williams who has to be one of the first on the team sheet at scrum half. If Trinity sign Allgood and Huby it's worth a press release like Giants did a couple of years ago emphasising that they had one of the biggest packs in Super League but Trinity can in addition to a big pack also emphasise that they also have one of the quickest back lines in Super League with Johnstone, Caton-Brown, Jones-Bishop, Lynne, Miller and Jowitt

Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:00 pm  

asmadasa wrote:

http://www.totalrl.com/garry-schofield-my-super-league-predictions/

Gary Schofield talks nonsense......predicting Trinity will finish 11th and saying the following...

Last year they had a great season, and the appointment of Chris Chester was a masterstroke because if Brian Smith had stayed they’d now be in the Championship. The halfbacks worked well for them last year and I think they need to keep faith in them. They don’t have the biggest pack of forwards, but they do well at home and they’ll pick up enough points at Belle Vue to keep them off the bottom.

Don't have the biggest forwards?

David Fifita 6 foot 4 tall 18 1/2 stone
Anthony England 6 foot 4 tall 17 1/2 stone
Keegan Hirst 6 foot 4 tall 18 stone
Anthony Walker 6 foot tall 16 1/2 stone
Danny Kirmond 6 foot 1 tall 16 stone
Johnny Molloy 6 foot 2 tall 16 stone
Tinirau Arona 5 foot 11 tall 16 stone
Matty Ashurst 6 foot 2 tall 15 1/2 stone

This doesn't include a possible Mitchell Allgood 6 foot 4 tall 17 stone or Craig Huby 6 foot 2 tall 17 stone...As for his comments about 'keeping faith with the same half backs' we have also made one of the best possible signings in Sam Williams who has to be one of the first on the team sheet at scrum half.

Schofield was a talented but lazy player and he's just carried that on in later life fuelling it with beer. He has a right to say what he wishes but no longer has any right to be taken seriously.

Problem is that assumptive attitudes and inability to check the facts is endemic in our game and is shown most graphically on the these forums where pre-concieved opinion rulse the day. Even some of our own fans seem to lack even the most basic grasps of what we have in our team and what it's possible capabilities are. Of course its all on paper for now and this team could easily prove to be a damp squib like so many others, no one can predict what will happen in that respect for now. However some things are certainties even on paper and size of players is one of them.

I share your frustrations on this issue, how difficult can it be to check the facts you half cut, bone idle waste of time - that's Schofield not you. Oh and anybody leaping to the once quite good footballers defence, I would say it to his face all be it slightly more politely.

Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:09 pm  

vastman wrote:

Schofield was a talented but lazy player and he's just carried that on in later life fuelling it with beer. He has a right to say what he wishes but no longer has any right to be taken seriously.

Problem is that assumptive attitudes and inability to check the facts is endemic in our game and is shown most graphically on the these forums where pre-concieved opinion rulse the day. Even some of our own fans seem to lack even the most basic grasps of what we have in our team and what it's possible capabilities are. Of course its all on paper for now and this team could easily prove to be a damp squib like so many others, no one can predict what will happen in that respect for now. However some things are certainties even on paper and size of players is one of them.

I share your frustrations on this issue, how difficult can it be to check the facts you half cut, bone idle waste of time - that's Schofield not you. Oh and anybody leaping to the once quite good footballers defence, I would say it to his face all be it slightly more politely.

Agreed. Lazy journalism. Exciting times for Trinity with how this squad is shaping..

Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:32 pm  

Let him or anyone else talk all they want, one of our biggest assets for many years has been our opponents underestimating us due to ill informed preseason predictions by so called experts.

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Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:54 am  

The Avenger wrote:

Let him or anyone else talk all they want, one of our biggest assets for many years has been our opponents underestimating us due to ill informed preseason predictions by so called experts.

Correct. Bring it on.

Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:34 am  

Attitude, fight, aggression are more important qualities for me than just sheer size. We have all watched great `smaller ` players at Trinity, Nigel Bell for example, the type of player who is always refereed to as playing a couple of stone above his weight. I did not see them play but legend and word of mouth advise that Don Vines and Rocky Turner were not big men, but they were men with massive hearts and plenty of aggression. Conversely we have all seen big men who just seem to lack that punch, that aggression, they never look like breaking a tackle, they just go through the motions. They are frustrating players to watch as we expect so much more from them. Its a joy when you get a big man with a bags of aggression, what a great site it was last season to see England and Fifita charging the ball up, like they wanted to do damage to anyone in their way, fantastic to watch. Darren Fritz was a fine example of this and in many ways Korki always looked the part as well.

Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:11 am  

Fritz in full flight was a sight to behold, one of my all time fave players.

Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:20 am  

bellycouldtackle wrote:

Attitude, fight, aggression are more important qualities for me than just sheer size. We have all watched great `smaller ` players at Trinity, Nigel Bell for example, the type of player who is always refereed to as playing a couple of stone above his weight. I did not see them play but legend and word of mouth advise that Don Vines and Rocky Turner were not big men, but they were men with massive hearts and plenty of aggression. Conversely we have all seen big men who just seem to lack that punch, that aggression, they never look like breaking a tackle, they just go through the motions. They are frustrating players to watch as we expect so much more from them. Its a joy when you get a big man with a bags of aggression, what a great site it was last season to see England and Fifita charging the ball up, like they wanted to do damage to anyone in their way, fantastic to watch. Darren Fritz was a fine example of this and in many ways Korki always looked the part as well.

You can add Dave Hawley to that list,not that big but always gave 110%

Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:54 am  

bellycouldtackle wrote:

Attitude, fight, aggression are more important qualities for me than just sheer size. We have all watched great `smaller ` players at Trinity, Nigel Bell for example, the type of player who is always refereed to as playing a couple of stone above his weight. I did not see them play but legend and word of mouth advise that Don Vines and Rocky Turner were not big men, but they were men with massive hearts and plenty of aggression. Conversely we have all seen big men who just seem to lack that punch, that aggression, they never look like breaking a tackle, they just go through the motions. They are frustrating players to watch as we expect so much more from them. Its a joy when you get a big man with a bags of aggression, what a great site it was last season to see England and Fifita charging the ball up, like they wanted to do damage to anyone in their way, fantastic to watch. Darren Fritz was a fine example of this and in many ways Korki always looked the part as well.

All very true Belly but remember the old adage "a good bigun will always beat a good smallun". Size most certainly isn't everything not even at prop but it is a massive advantage.