Re: Anderson : Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:57 pm  

Hence my analogy, they are and should be tough, I would not get through the warm up without requiring hospital treatment. Part of the job requirement is to be tough, Anderson and Kirke took the Michael in my opinion.

Re: Anderson : Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:06 pm  

bellycouldtackle wrote:

Hence my analogy, they are and should be tough, I would not get through the warm up without requiring hospital treatment. Part of the job requirement is to be tough, Anderson and Kirke took the Michael in my opinion.

Fully agree with you on Kirke. That man's attitude was disgraceful and I find it very ironic and slightly insulting that he is a fitness coach at Leeds.

Don't agree with Anderson though.

Re: Anderson : Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:12 pm  

So Tupou gets a pass because he's genuinely busted up but a player retiring at the age of 30, because his body can't take it any more from the injuries over the years, has been taking the proverbial. Right Oh.

It amazes me from someone who supports Trinity and watches them, that you genuinely can't see what's happened to Anderson over his time with us. You see when he comes on the pitch he's trying but just doesn't have it anymore. This idea that a guy who played nearly 100 NRL games for 2 of the top teams, comes over here then had a good first season with us, then decided to feint injury and take the Michael for the rest is pretty hilarious tbh.

Re: Anderson : Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:56 am  

bellycouldtackle wrote:

Hence my analogy, they are and should be tough, I would not get through the warm up without requiring hospital treatment. Part of the job requirement is to be tough, Anderson and Kirke took the Michael in my opinion.

It's a nice, prosaic idea that 'being tough' is enough to see a player through 80 minutes of rugby when he has an injury that limits his mobility or performance; but these days, it's not enough. I'm aware that some will play on painkillers and such - but if the injury is serious enough to limit them, you're likely to be front of the queue when it comes to criticising them for missing a tackle or not getting back in the line. And that's before the issue of employee welfare, PI claims and insurance comes into play.

Your criticism of Anderson is over the top and disrespectful in my opinion; I don't know what he did to you, but it's clearly personal.

Re: Anderson : Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:14 am  

bren2k wrote:

It's a nice, prosaic idea that 'being tough' is enough to see a player through 80 minutes of rugby when he has an injury that limits his mobility or performance; but these days, it's not enough. I'm aware that some will play on painkillers and such - but if the injury is serious enough to limit them, you're likely to be front of the queue when it comes to criticising them for missing a tackle or not getting back in the line. And that's before the issue of employee welfare, PI claims and insurance comes into play.

Your criticism of Anderson is over the top and disrespectful in my opinion; I don't know what he did to you, but it's clearly personal.

Spot on.

Re: Anderson : Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:23 am  

bren2k wrote:

But in a cruel denial of natural justice, I suspect your job doesn't involve you getting the $h1t kicked out of you for 80 minutes on a week by week basis?

It's all relative isn't it - I too can work through many minor ailments, because I pilot either a car or a desk for the majority of the time; if I was a RL player, I'd have to a bit more selective.

Sure about that?

You've read his selling style on here

Re: Anderson : Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:17 pm  

Nothing personal, as said I have never spoken to the man. I feel well qualified, having watched the game for the last 40 + years to spot a player who is either not giving their all on the pitch or not 100 % committed to the club. Every player I brought to the club as juniors from local RU are now getting paid to play Rugby and congratulated for their 100 % attitude. Because of a family member working at the club on the medical side from late 60`s to early 80`s I was privileged as a child to have access to the changing rooms at half time and full time, I suppose my attitude was created by seeing the likes of Trevor Skerrit, Graham Idle, John Burke etc been stitched up, bandaged up and fighting to be allowed to play on, seeing Keith Smith ( what a player by the way ) having injections in an ankle and going out to play some of the most sublime Rugby I have ever seen. Seeing Bill Ashurst demanding more aggression from his team mates. These men were heroes to me, I knew even then that I would never be able to do what they could do, they were like gladiators. You still see that attitude from players today and I certainly expect, as a minimum requirement to see it from Wakefield Trinity front row forwards. I saw no such attitude from Kirke and Anderson, hence my criticism, nothing personal but to me they did not meet the job description and were not fit for purpose.

Re: Anderson : Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:41 pm  

Don't necessarily agree 100% with you, belly, but a good, intelligent post all the same.

Re: Anderson : Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:33 pm  

If he has bulging discs then you would have had to suffer to appreciate how bad this is, the only thing that helps is an epidural in your neck and that only works about 4 in 10. The pain is managable the pins and needles giving you night after night without a wink of sleep and you could easily see why he wasnt giving his all. Extremely brave and probably a bit stupid for him to carry on as long as he has.

Re: Anderson : Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:43 pm  

inside man wrote:

If he has bulging discs then you would have had to suffer to appreciate how bad this is, the only thing that helps is an epidural in your neck and that only works about 4 in 10. The pain is managable the pins and needles giving you night after night without a wink of sleep and you could easily see why he wasnt giving his all. Extremely brave and probably a bit stupid for him to carry on as long as he has.

Everyone's wasting their time. It doesn't matter what you say about what injury he's got and suffered from, he's been told before and dismissed it, he's made up his mind.