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Re: Toronto Wolfpack : Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:30 pm  
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So they will play games in blocks of 4, between Canada and a base in the UK. The guy financing it is paying travel costs for the clubs who go and play there.

right so the league structure in terms of home and away games will alter because of this poxy doomed experiment
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Re: Toronto Wolfpack : Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:34 pm  
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What a joke really its bad enough propping up the French game but Canada its rediculous



We won't be "propping up" anything in Canada, they're funding everything themselves so I'm not sure why you're objecting so much?
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Re: Toronto Wolfpack : Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:38 pm  
Whilst I think it is a really good idea to spread the game, I dont really think this will work

We have tried in London for 35 years and we are only just starting to see the benefits and during this time we have seen other new clubs born and then died.

Catalans made it but would they still be here if they weren't immune from relegation having finished bottom I think for their first two years. I'm not sure they would be.

I'm the past 4 years we have seen 4 New clubs emerge and think before another project emerges the RFL should be looking at the heartlands and the grassroots of the sport whilst helping them new clubs to develop.

One way they could spread the interest internationally would be to look at the international fixtures. We should see a return of Test Series against Aussies and Kiwis whilst at the same time change the 4 nations to the emerging nations and increase the number of entries. Maybe do it over 2 divisions of 8-10 clubs with an incentive of teams going up/down a tier
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Re: Toronto Wolfpack : Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:58 pm  
Think this will have a knock on effect with games. Jet lag will play a part, when the English team returns from Canada their performance in their next game will be reduced.
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Re: Toronto Wolfpack : Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:01 pm  
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So they will play games in blocks of 4, between Canada and a base in the UK. The guy financing it is paying travel costs for the clubs who go and play there.

That makes sense and will hopefully get some positive media attention. Good luck to them.
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Re: Toronto Wolfpack : Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:13 pm  
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Whilst I think it is a really good idea to spread the game, I dont really think this will work

We have tried in London for 35 years and we are only just starting to see the benefits and during this time we have seen other new clubs born and then died.

Catalans made it but would they still be here if they weren't immune from relegation having finished bottom I think for their first two years. I'm not sure they would be.

I'm the past 4 years we have seen 4 New clubs emerge and think before another project emerges the RFL should be looking at the heartlands and the grassroots of the sport whilst helping them new clubs to develop.

One way they could spread the interest internationally would be to look at the international fixtures. We should see a return of Test Series against Aussies and Kiwis whilst at the same time change the 4 nations to the emerging nations and increase the number of entries. Maybe do it over 2 divisions of 8-10 clubs with an incentive of teams going up/down a tier


Why would a Test Series between England and Australia spread interest to Canada more than having their own club side to follow throughout the year?

And just 3/4 weeks of international fixtures for their national side against other emerging nations and then nothing for another 12 months isn't going to cut it either.
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Re: Toronto Wolfpack : Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:26 pm  
I think it's worth a try. Once the ice hockey finishes, there's not much else to do sports-wise. There's a baseball team, but it's not particularly well-supported. I went to see the Red Sox play there and it was more than half-empty, and the Red Sox are a team who attract crowds. I've seen the Red Sox at a few grounds and they're normally full. And their fondness for ice hockey shows that they are fond of a game that is, firstly, not American, and secondly filled with ebb and flow and a bit of biff.

And before you knock Toronto, it's a grand night out, and roasting in summer.
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Re: Toronto Wolfpack : Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:48 pm  
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I think it's worth a try. Once the ice hockey finishes, there's not much else to do sports-wise. There's a baseball team, but it's not particularly well-supported. I went to see the Red Sox play there and it was more than half-empty, and the Red Sox are a team who attract crowds. I've seen the Red Sox at a few grounds and they're normally full. And their fondness for ice hockey shows that they are fond of a game that is, firstly, not American, and secondly filled with ebb and flow and a bit of biff.

And before you knock Toronto, it's a grand night out, and roasting in summer.


For quite a while I've thought that North America would really take to RL if it could ever really get going over there. Just looking at their love of American Football I just think RL would be a sport they'd take to more naturally that football (soccer) which has had a hard slog over there to win over people.
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Re: Toronto Wolfpack : Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:15 pm  
It's main problem is that sport is very much about a habit, often influenced by family. How many of us have got into rugby league on the basis that "it looks interesting". Most of us, I can bet, got into it through being taken by family members. It's a generational thing. That's why it hasn't taken off in London, because people have other habits. It's why it worked in Catalan, because people watched league anyway round there, and the Dragons themselves are a merger of two pre-existing teams (I seem to recall).

The advantage it might have over London is that it may not get the same TV coverage we get. For instance, the fans of league in the south have become so because of watching league on TV, and probably have their own pet northern teams. It doesn't mean they'll traipse along to the stoop, because their appetite is wetted by the top northern teams. In Toronto, the only team they might see is Toronto, which might help.
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Re: Toronto Wolfpack : Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:45 pm  
Slugger McBatt wrote:
It's main problem is that sport is very much about a habit, often influenced by family. How many of us have got into rugby league on the basis that "it looks interesting". Most of us, I can bet, got into it through being taken by family members. It's a generational thing. That's why it hasn't taken off in London, because people have other habits. It's why it worked in Catalan, because people watched league anyway round there, and the Dragons themselves are a merger of two pre-existing teams (I seem to recall).


Yes maybe with Rugby League you or others got into by being taken to games but how many on here like multiple sports? I would imagine most do yet were you taken to see these sports at a young age? Never taken to a cricket game when young but become a fan of it? Never been to a Grand Prix but follow the F1? Never attended an American Football match but enjoy watching it? Never played golf as a kid but tune in for the Majors and Ryder Cup?

London didn't work but that's because it was badly run club. The way North American sports clubs are run compared to our English RL clubs are a million miles apart.
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