Re: Trinity V Widnes : Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:37 pm  

The one big thing was the players are at least fit enough this year and not blowing out their backsides after 20 mins and they never gave up the ghost. Last season we imploded big style it don't look like we will this we would have had this one if not for silly errors cut those out and we wont have a bad side with a bit of work

Re: Trinity V Widnes : Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:37 pm  

I thought we were as good as Widnes today on the whole, not much between the sides. What cost the game was the pass from Johnston just before half-time, followed by BJB's howler early in the second half.

If that Wakefield shows up all season, I won't be complaining too much. Remember too that last year, we were world beaters after two games. Can't read too much into anything this early.

Re: Trinity V Widnes : Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:43 pm  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

I thought we were as good as Widnes today on the whole, not much between the sides. What cost the game was the pass from Johnston just before half-time, followed by BJB's howler early in the second half.

If that Wakefield shows up all season, I won't be complaining too much. Remember too that last year, we were world beaters after two games. Can't read too much into anything this early.

Widnes did not get out of third gear today Slugger it was very poor indeed. We may beat sides through effort if the other side doesn't turn up but that's it.

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Re: Trinity V Widnes : Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:22 pm  

Just because Betts says it doesn't make it true.
We tackled them and slowed them down. That's why they didn't play better. They didn't choose not to play better.

Their tries came from our mistakes. It's not like they bust us every time they got the ball.
They were good enough and we helped them. That's all.

Re: Trinity V Widnes : Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:46 pm  

Taking into consideration the poor weather with the wind and freezing conditions I thought that BJB had a poor game, he made a couple of errors from kicks (which is expected with todays conditions) his pass selection/choosing not to pass the ball was poor and I really think he is out of his depth at this level at fullback. He doesn't seem as fluent when joining in the attack and these days fullbacks play as an extra attacking pivot. I'd give him a run and see if things change but if not I'd personally be looking at Tansey to slot in at 1.
Thought Arona was our best player on the field, great footwork and strong in his carries although England bar a few brain farts in defence giving away a few penalties was also a handful. Lyne was also solid today, he always seems to be a scapegoat but played well today especially in defence. I can't wait to have Simon back and firing on all cylinders as last season he was our go to forward who had plenty of acceleration and aggression which got us on the front foot. I also really hope that Finn and Miller can combine quickly as our attack sometimes was panicky.

Re: Trinity V Widnes : Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:47 pm  

Coaching didn't cost Trinity that game. Individual errors did. It was a million miles away from the shambles of last season. The defence was generally good and it was noticeable the players rushing to each other to congratulate excellent defensive work. Still plenty to work on, Anthony Tupou looked unfit so hopefully will kick on the more games he has. Miller needs to get back to running at defences, his game isn't about creating opportunities for others. There is still a lack of composure at key times which result in unforced errors which unfortunately cost the team dearly today.

Re: Trinity V Widnes : Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:13 pm  

Basic errors killed Trinity as has been said, I thought we were second best in most departments but for the basic errors we still could have won.

2 observations Widnes were awful defending around the ruck, a hooker worth his salt would have killed them, I think Moore plays we win. Still don't get the hype about Johnston.

Re: Trinity V Widnes : Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:25 pm  

Couple of basic, errors at key times that were punished by Widnes cost us.

Arona worked his nads off.
Miller looked alright, given a bit more time with Finn they'll both improve.
BJB other than the basic error looked fairly handy.
Johnstone - not sure on the lad. Yet to be convinced.
England - jury our although no doubt he will be a crowd favourite.

Widnes had several bodies in motion and with the settled Mellor and Brown pulling the strings will pick up their share of wins so no reason to be too down hearted, although with a bit more nouse in attack and discipline we could have taken them as they had their share of issues defending.

Re: Trinity V Widnes : Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:35 pm  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

Coaching didn't cost Trinity that game. Individual errors did. It was a million miles away from the shambles of last season. The defence was generally good and it was noticeable the players rushing to each other to congratulate excellent defensive work. Still plenty to work on, Anthony Tupou looked unfit so hopefully will kick on the more games he has. Miller needs to get back to running at defences, his game isn't about creating opportunities for others. There is still a lack of composure at key times which result in unforced errors which unfortunately cost the team dearly today.

Agree, silly nervous errors and mistakes cost us big time. On the whole the defense was good, fitness has also improved since last year and on the whole a decent 2nd half but just not enough. Ateotd we could have won it, if a pass would have stuck and one of the errors cut out, so I don't buy for one second that Widnes didn't get out of 3rd gear or whatever Betts said, they weren't that good.

We looked like a side at times that's still figuring each other out, which hopefully will improve as they get more game time together.

Without picking anyone out there's a couple of places in the backs especially that I'd change for next game and tbh I bet B.Smith is still not 100% sure on his best 17 yet.

I think if Moore had been playing today he'd have been very useful, he'd have made some real ground from acting half back. Hopefully Simon's fit soon because we need that guys aggression out there. Agree about Miller, although he did alright today, his main strength is running at the defenses, try to look for some space & cause some doubt and overlaps

Someone mentioned in another thread about how quiet and nervous the crowd was. I agree and I bet the players picked up on it out there. It's strange because last year was a real one off turd of a year and it's almost as if people are holding their breath expecting the worst again.

Re: Trinity V Widnes : Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:07 am  

why are people criticising johnstone some moan week in week out boring 5 drives and kick rugby it was right in front of me the pass it put bjb straight through a gap a mile wide but he dropped it yet no one blames him for the mistake there where a lot worse players than johnstone finn offered nothing all afternoon except predictable passes poor kicks and the ability to make his way out to the centre in defence so he didnt do any