Re: Andy Ellis : Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:05 pm  

Tbh we wouldn't be letting him go without a very good reason, there's already a dearth of quality players around anyway. IF he left it would be either financial or to improve the squad but personally I can't see him going anywhere.

Re: Andy Ellis : Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:41 pm  

vastman wrote:

Let's get some perspective, this is a forum rumour after all.

There is clearly something about Ellis Agar doesn't seem to like - I don't know what it is, but that said I personally have seen nothing from him to suggest he's as good as some on this thread think he is - though I personally would keep him. But that's just the opinion of a fan as are all the others on here and despite what we all think we really have not got a clue compared to the coaching staff - end of.

So to answer your point with a question - why have no other SL teams been in for him? Because the chance has rather obviously been there all season. That may tell you all you need to know.

Finally and it's pure speculation - I have a feeling that it's not Ellis Agar or the other SL coaches don't rate, I think it's his wage. He was signed pre Agar and I think we may have over paid, or certainly in Agars eyes. As a coach he may think he can get a lot more VFM than Ellis offers and want that money released - just a thought.

To follow that thought through though if he has a 3 year contract then other than loaning him out to get some of the money back, why would he move if no one else thinks he is worth the wages he receives? There is no financial incentive for him to leave

Re: Andy Ellis : Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:59 pm  

If we relaese him, we will have to pay up the rest of his contract. (2 Years)
Would it count towards the salary cap?
So if Agar dosen't see him as an option and lets him go, he could walk away with a chunk of money and then sign for someone else.
I hope not as I think he can do a good job and would prefer him to stay
If he goes then I see Featherstone as his destination.

Re: Andy Ellis : Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:24 pm  

Schunter wrote:

To follow that thought through though if he has a 3 year contract then other than loaning him out to get some of the money back, why would he move if no one else thinks he is worth the wages he receives? There is no financial incentive for him to leave

True enough, it's only a theory. However a lot depends on how his contract is structured etc. If however Fev were to match the terms we have and take over the contract he may wish to leave for guaranteed RL. It wouldn't be the first time a player has left SL for the Championship, most commonly to pursue a non RL related career. As I say just a theory and probably irrelevant considering how wrong this forum usually is on player moves.

At the end of the day Agars job depends on him making correct choices so I can only assume he feels he has better options than Ellis should the rumour be true - that is why he is a top 8 coach and we are not

Re: Andy Ellis : Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:33 pm  

CORONET KING wrote:

If we relaese him, we will have to pay up the rest of his contract. (2 Years)
Would it count towards the salary cap?
So if Agar dosen't see him as an option and lets him go, he could walk away with a chunk of money and then sign for someone else.
I hope not as I think he can do a good job and would prefer him to stay
If he goes then I see Featherstone as his destination.

Not strictly true, all contracts have get out clauses. However if another club were willing to take on the remainder of his contract then we would owe him nothing - other than IMHO a thank you. My point is that maybe there are SL clubs who want to take him on but not the contract and that is the problem. Loaning him to Fev may have paid for Lee Smith in the short term, who knows.

I can't see why we would want to let him go unless someone else was in the picture. I also can't see why he couldn't get another SL birth unless there is a big stumbling block in the way. We all seem to agree he has the ability even if it's not what Agar wants or quite as majestic as some would have us believe. So his terms are the only thing I can think of that would mean him leaving SL for a Championship club, all be it a very ambitious one.

It's all speculation as is 99% of whats on here no matter how some paint it so who knows.

Re: Andy Ellis : Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:02 pm  

vastman wrote:

Not strictly true, all contracts have get out clauses. However if another club were willing to take on the remainder of his contract then we would owe him nothing - other than IMHO a thank you. My point is that maybe there are SL clubs who want to take him on but not the contract and that is the problem. Loaning him to Fev may have paid for Lee Smith in the short term, who knows.

I can't see why we would want to let him go unless someone else was in the picture. I also can't see why he couldn't get another SL birth unless there is a big stumbling block in the way. We all seem to agree he has the ability even if it's not what Agar wants or quite as majestic as some would have us believe. So his terms are the only thing I can think of that would mean him leaving SL for a Championship club, all be it a very ambitious one.

It's all speculation as is 99% of whats on here no matter how some paint it so who knows.

The other side to your theory, (which I think has some validity) is we have him on a 3 year deal and paying him, so why not play him.

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Re: Andy Ellis : Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:19 pm  

And the other other side is that there is nothing wrong with his contract, he isn't going to Fev and he will be playing hooker next year.

Re: Andy Ellis : Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:44 pm  

PopTart wrote:

And the other other side is that there is nothing wrong with his contract, he isn't going to Fev and he will be playing hooker next year.

Es young and British, I would keep him before Aiton, wood and Ellis have done a pretty good job without Aiton. Would love to keep all 3 but I can't see it, really hope he stays.

Re: Andy Ellis : Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:24 am  

Andy Ellis is the best hooker at the club , by a mile.

Re: Andy Ellis : Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:32 am  

Ellis at 9, Wood on the bench, Aiton playing as a second rower or loose forward.

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