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Re: Tom Johnstone : Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:55 am  
Young Kay what a cock up that was infact it was a disgrace
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Re: Tom Johnstone : Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:02 pm  
GET EM ON SIDE REF wrote:
Young Kay what a cock up that was infact it was a disgrace



To be honest, I don't blame MC or CB for that, they were very poorly advised on the player and not just that player IMO
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Re: Tom Johnstone : Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:31 pm  
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To be honest, I don't blame MC or CB for that, they were very poorly advised on the player and not just that player IMO

I totally agree with your sentiments,views on youth development at Wakey Avenger,being Jordans dad and all that,but why are these players you mention not playing or even at super league clubs?apart from Max obviously.I'm not saying your wrong as I believe you know more about the development of youth than myself,but find it strange that if good enough or potentials there they are still applying their trade at the next stage down.
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Re: Tom Johnstone : Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:34 pm  
Maybe it was thought we needed experience for a small squad and that was the reason they were let go had they been able to spend full cap then who knows they might have been able to keep them instead of letting them go to Leigh,Bradford.One things for sure we need to start and bring Johnstone in its doing no one any favours if we have a winger who is injured and hes kicking his heels waiting for a chance while the other is playing with an injury/niggle
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Re: Tom Johnstone : Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:36 pm  
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To be honest, I don't blame MC or CB for that, they were very poorly advised on the player and not just that player IMO


Didn't he leave before they took over the club?
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Re: Tom Johnstone : Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:06 pm  
Big lads mate wrote:
I totally agree with your sentiments,views on youth development at Wakey Avenger,being Jordans dad and all that,but why are these players you mention not playing or even at super league clubs?apart from Max obviously.I'm not saying your wrong as I believe you know more about the development of youth than myself,but find it strange that if good enough or potentials there they are still applying their trade at the next stage down.



Like everybody else I can only guess, but I suspect that some of these players are viewed not good enough for Wakefield Trinity and are therefore overlooked by all the super league clubs.

Gareth Potts has everything you would want in a winger except perhaps size that isn't to say he's small but he's not particularly big either.

Liam Kay and Lucas Walshaw are both at clubs who could be viewed as SL in waiting. Danny Cowling has slipped out of view a little but looked comfortable and effective when given his one or two opportunities at Wakefield.

My main issue with the way we handle youth players at Wakefield is that there comes a tipping point in the development of a young player where they need super league opportunities as a kind of finishing school, at Wakefield we seem very poor at providing those opportunities.

That's a note of caution for the likes of Tom Johnston, Jordy, Max etc..
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Re: Tom Johnstone : Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:39 pm  
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Like everybody else I can only guess, but I suspect that some of these players are viewed not good enough for Wakefield Trinity and are therefore overlooked by all the super league clubs.

Gareth Potts has everything you would want in a winger except perhaps size that isn't to say he's small but he's not particularly big either.

Liam Kay and Lucas Walshaw are both at clubs who could be viewed as SL in waiting. Danny Cowling has slipped out of view a little but looked comfortable and effective when given his one or two opportunities at Wakefield.

My main issue with the way we handle youth players at Wakefield is that there comes a tipping point in the development of a young player where they need super league opportunities as a kind of finishing school, at Wakefield we seem very poor at providing those opportunities.

That's a note of caution for the likes of Tom Johnston, Jordy, Max etc..

Completely agree.
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Re: Tom Johnstone : Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:41 pm  
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Didn't he leave before they took over the club?


No the negotiations took place under MCs stewardship but I suspect KH had the final say on how high we valued him.
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Re: Tom Johnstone : Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:14 pm  
Not being as knowledgeable as a couple on here would have you believe they are, for me it's pretty simple every young player has a price, and when you are strapped for cash as we are and cannot afford to keep them interested financially like the big clubs' and can't offer them regular first team football because they are simply not good enough yet, just what are the club supposed to do when clubs' come along like Bradford and Leigh what can offer regular games and more money because they don't have to pay for expensive foreign imports, I'm sure that the club realise their potential just as much as the other clubs that bought them do, and in an ideal world they would still be here but mainly because of finances there not, Kay had one good game for us made famous by big Ali against Cas, Washaw although he may do in the future has not exactly ripped it up at Bradford yet, all the club is guilty of is letting potential go and not world beaters, but it suits some people on here's agenda to cause mischief by having you believe so.
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Re: Tom Johnstone : Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:29 pm  
chissitt wrote:
Not being as knowledgeable as a couple on here would have you believe they are, for me it's pretty simple every young player has a price, and when you are strapped for cash as we are and cannot afford to keep them interested financially like the big clubs' and can't offer them regular first team football because they are simply not good enough yet, just what are the club supposed to do when clubs' come along like Bradford and Leigh what can offer regular games and more money because they don't have to pay for expensive foreign imports, I'm sure that the club realise their potential just as much as the other clubs that bought them do, and in an ideal world they would still be here but mainly because of finances there not, Kay had one good game for us made famous by big Ali against Cas, Washaw although he may do in the future has not exactly ripped it up at Bradford yet, all the club is guilty of is letting potential go and not world beaters, but it suits some people on here's agenda to cause mischief by having you believe so.


Who are you referring to Chisitt?

I'm certainly not mischief making, just pointing out what I believe is the case at Wakefield, maybe I'm wrong!

If I'm right and if you're right (our views aren't necessarily mutually exclusive) and we accept your view for the truth then, as fans, we can't moan about letting our young players go.

If that's the case though, we have to accept and get comfortable with the reality that we will never attract or hold onto the better juniors. We will always have to bring cast offs, overseas 'B' class players and near retirees to Wakefield while waving our established young superstars goodbye as they move on to Leeds.
While our nearly established young players with potential to make it are never trusted enough to get the job done while they learn their trade, as juniors at other clubs are allowed to do, so they'll move on to Leigh and Bradford.
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