Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:54 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

IMO, Roy had more 'benefits' than any of the previous managers over the past ten years or so. Every other manager had the task of fitting all of these 'world class' players into a squad and they had to play well.

Did you really just say that because I'm sure you know that an embarrassment of riches is what managers prefer to having to scrimp, save and manipulate their squad because of a lack of resources.

Roddy B wrote:

is people trying to glorify Roy and make him out to be something he isn't,

Who is trying to glorify him?

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:02 pm  

McClennan wrote:

Did you really just say that because I'm sure you know that an embarrassment of riches is what managers prefer to having to scrimp, save and manipulate their squad because of a lack of resources.

Who is trying to glorify him?

You know what I meant. Previous managers were almost forced to make all of these 'stars' fit into a team at the expense of balance. Of course managers want talented players, but the pressure to get the best from a bunch of players that didn't fit was far greater than any pressure Roy was under at this tournament. People wanted England to dominate sides, they wanted every player at his 'world class' best, but it was clearly never achievable because the side never reached anywhere near its potential. Oddly enough, I don't think Roy had to scrimp and scrape, if that's what you're trying to say?

Not you specifically, but I've read a lot of stuff throughout this tournament about Roy that's made me cringe. People have turned a blind eye to poor performances and poor management. Why? Maybe glorifying was the wrong word, but I think people have given too much praise to Roy over things previous managers weren't praised for.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:38 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

You know what I meant. Previous managers were almost forced to make all of these 'stars' fit into a team at the expense of balance.

Were they really? As far as I've ever seen the only serious lacks of balance have been the fact that Gerrard and Lampard never worked together and the fact that we haven't had a decent left footed winger for 20 years. There's little any manager could do about the latter, but on the first point the pressure has always been on them to make a decision on which one to go with and drop the other for the good of the team. It's had nothing to do with being forced to play both to satisfy the masses, it's been a lack of bottle to make the choice in case they got it wrong.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:40 pm  

Roy Hodgson cures cancer

Roddy B wrote:

But what about AIDS?

Roy Hodgson cures AIDS

Roddy B wrote:

But what about the debt crisis in the EU?

Roy Hodgson solves the world's economic problems

Roddy B wrote:

But what about the dead of World War 2?

Roy builds a time machine, persuades Hitler to be nice, and does it without completely screwing up the time lines of billions of people.

Roddy B wrote:

But what about the stupid, annoying bias that infects every red scouse POS like me?

There's things that Roy Hodgson can do. But there's just some things no one can do.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:28 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

I really couldn't care less about Roy, he's a nobody who'll only ever be remembered as Liverpool's worst manager in over fifty years.

....Typical RS bluster.....You gave the guy THREE MONTHS!!!!!!!.......You got him kicked out because he didn't pander to your lot's deluded nonsense about being a so-called big team and how 'special' your club is.

I think if you had given him enough time, he would definitely have proved superior to both Souness & Evans, who are/were both toss managers, though they fitted the RS's idea of a manager, in that they had the club in their blood, understood the pain of Heysel and Hillsborough, plus all that other self-pitying nonsense that a lot of kopites like to go on about when the world is going against them....

It'll be interesting to see when the first rumbles of discontent start for Rodgers - I'm guessing about November time when its become obvious you will be struggling to make the top 5 or 6 again.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:19 pm  

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:34 pm  

It seems Sigurdsson will turn down the best club in the world(tm) and join Spurs. Don't know how many times i saw stuff on the front of the Liverpool Echo last week almost proclaiming him as a messiah. I assume now he's sh*t though.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:37 pm  

100% Wire wrote:

It seems Sigurdsson will turn down the best club in the world(tm) and join Spurs. Don't know how many times i saw stuff on the front of the Liverpool Echo last week almost proclaiming him as a messiah. I assume now he's sh*t though.

He's a good player who I'd like to have at Liverpool, however if he'd rather go to a managerless and smaller club then thats fine, I wont lose any sleep. The same as if he decides to come here, I'd like it.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:20 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

You know what I meant. Previous managers were almost forced to make all of these 'stars' fit into a team at the expense of balance.

I know what you're saying but they only have themselves to blame for pandering to media and fan pressure. I can understand it a bit more with the English managers but Sven and FC have won titles overseas and could have made bold choices but neither did.

Roddy B wrote:

Not you specifically, but I've read a lot of stuff throughout this tournament about Roy that's made me cringe. People have turned a blind eye to poor performances and poor management. Why? Maybe glorifying was the wrong word, but I think people have given too much praise to Roy over things previous managers weren't praised for.

Fair enough, I understand that. I think he's done a decent enough job. Not great but we didn't underachieve like we seem to do at every tournament. No manager was going to overcome this lack of ability to retain possession in the space of time he had because we've been trying to deal with that problem since '67, under better managers that RH.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:48 pm  

Lord Tony Smith wrote:

He's a good player who I'd like to have at Liverpool, however if he'd rather go to a managerless and smaller club then thats fine, I wont lose any sleep. The same as if he decides to come here, I'd like it.

Who are regularly chasing the Champions League places as opposed to struggling to reach the Europa League.