Re: Eddie Hearn : Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:30 am  

Barrett was robbed wrote:

Don't see how the rise of the UFC has much to do with what the Hearns could achieve with RL. UFC has become what it is today because the Fertittas backed themselves & basically bought out all the competition which would be like the Hearns going out & taking over the NRL & RU then telling all the top talent your playing for SL teams now, it's not going to happen is it

Dana White is the first to admit as well they had quite a bit of luck to get where they are today. When Pride was still going and took over the UFC as the No.1 MMA organisation, the Fertittas bought the dwindling UFC in 2001 & they were losing money hand over fist for years. He tells a story about the brothers coming to him and wanting to pull out because they'd literally sunk $34 million after they bought it for 2 million and it wasn't getting any better and wanted to sell.

Then a couple of things happened, in 2005 the UFC went to Spike TV to sell them an idea of a reality TV show based around MMA and a contest to sign to the UFC at the end. Spike wasn't even interested, so the UFC offered to produce it cost-free for them, it was their last roll of the dice and cost them millions to do. After the 1st season of TUF and especially the final fight between Bonner and Griffin it started to create a load of hype and got signed for another few seasons. after that new fans started to buy PPV's that had never before but it was still behind Pride's huge events. Then in 2007 Pride lost its TV deal in Japan because of links with the Triads came to light. The UFC swooped in and bought Pride at a knockdown price and the vast majority of it's best fighters moved across, making it truly the place where you could see the best versus the best. That's really where they started to become what they are today imo. Along the way, they also bought Strikeforce, WFA, brought in lighter weight fighters with their purchase of the WEC and then introduced women to their ranks, funnily enough only a couple of years earlier Dana White said it would never happen.

Just shows you need luck, things to go your way and then take advantage of them, plus also willing to take the odd chance. Also, it helped being bankrolled by a couple of brothers who are billionaires that own Station Casinos to get where they are now.

Re: Eddie Hearn : Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:08 am  

still think the UFC was better when the gracies ran it

Re: Eddie Hearn : Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:23 pm  

Why on earth would Rugby League get involved with people who seem to be able to market minority sports!! Crazy!!

Re: Eddie Hearn : Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:50 pm  

Wigan Peer wrote:

Why on earth would Rugby League get involved with people who seem to be able to market minority sports!! Crazy!!

Agreed, Sky ruined it enough. Tickets should be no more than a fiver. Whilst we are at it, get rid of Catalans, Toulouse and Toronto. No more nicknames, names on shirts or coloured boots. Instead of play offs, the team finishing top gets a brass tankard. Fans obliged to scowl throughout, and tut if Wigan don't score 50.

Re: Eddie Hearn : Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:50 pm  

Well, you joke, but plenty seriously claim we'd be better off with no 40/20s, corner flag coming into play for try-scoring, and winter rugby on mud-heaps.

Re: Eddie Hearn : Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:54 pm  

moto748 wrote:

Well, you joke, but plenty seriously claim we'd be better off with no 40/20s, corner flag coming into play for try-scoring, and winter rugby on mud-heaps.

40/20s reward pisspoor offence and penalize great defence

Corner flags make flying tries more spectacular due to the skill factor that's needed not to touch the flags

Re: Eddie Hearn : Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:37 am  

The Whiffy Kipper wrote:

40/20s reward pisspoor offence and penalize great defence

Corner flags make flying tries more spectacular due to the skill factor that's needed not to touch the flags

40/20s encourage fast rugby. They were introduced to stop wingers and full backs allowing the ball to roll out of play and slowing the game down. Any rule that speeds the game up is a positive.

I’d go further and say if the ball is kicked dead from within the 20m zone the the restart is on the 20m line. However if the ball is kicked dead from outside the 20m line, the defending team restarts with a tap from where the ball was kicked. That would encourage teams to keep the ball in play more and speed the game up even more.

Re: Eddie Hearn : Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:37 am  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

40/20s encourage fast rugby. They were introduced to stop wingers and full backs allowing the ball to roll out of play and slowing the game down. Any rule that speeds the game up is a positive.

I’d go further and say if the ball is kicked dead from within the 20m zone the the restart is on the 20m line. However if the ball is kicked dead from outside the 20m line, the defending team restarts with a tap from where the ball was kicked. That would encourage teams to keep the ball in play more and speed the game up even more.

So if they are so great and speed the game up so much how come we see so little of them every season

Re: Eddie Hearn : Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:40 am  

The Whiffy Kipper wrote:

So if they are so great and speed the game up so much how come we see so little of them every season

Because they’re not easy to execute. It requires the team with the ball to get in the right part of the field, the player before it to win the collision and get a quick play the ball and then an accurate kick against a defence who will do all they can to stop it.

Re: Eddie Hearn : Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:12 pm  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

Because they’re not easy to execute. It requires the team with the ball to get in the right part of the field, the player before it to win the collision and get a quick play the ball and then an accurate kick against a defence who will do all they can to stop it.

I remember the first time Wigan played a game with that rule in force. Andy Farrell kicked one with his first touch of the ball and Wigan scored from the re-start. Afterwards, some whinging letter-writer in the Rugby Leaguer said something like 'looks like the new rule has found another way to make it easier for Wigan to win games'.

Except that Faz never kicked another in his entire RL career, and in truth, I can probably count on one hand the other Wigan players who have kicked them since.

So, I think that underlines your point.