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Re: Project Players - Yay or Nay?
Post Wed May 09, 2018 4:25 pm
Posted by Rogues Gallery on Wed May 09, 2018 4:25 pm
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Interesting to see a lad who came through our academy and was not considered good enough being brought back in another position. I always think that the salary cap means that we cannot make full use of our academy.


Or maybe not having a proper reserve grade competition?
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Re: Project Players - Yay or Nay?
Post Wed May 09, 2018 5:29 pm
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Speaking of props, whatever happened to Bretherton?
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Post Wed May 09, 2018 5:38 pm
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Hamlin is on a two year deal so may leave after next season to return to Oz. I think if he is any good he will be off back home. Sutton is supposed to have left so I can see some sense in recruiting another prop.

At 25 this lad has the advantage of being more physically mature than any of your young players coming out of the academy. With the lack of a reserve grade unless you get some sort of freak it's hard to see how a young prop can be gradually progressed into the first team more so than a back. If this signing is true Barrow have basically been acting as Wigan reserves to produce a prop who at 25 ought to be physically ready to give it a shot in SL.

That said I don't think the club does itself any favours labelling players as "projects". He's 25 so he can't play in the academy set up so he is simply a new signing. It's as if the club is afraid of the reaction if we announce a new signing from Barrow so are excusing it by saying he is a project player.

I'd be more bothered if he was another 19 year old not 25 year old but for him at 25 the only way he is going to play is if he can break into the first team so he's not a project at all in my eyes.

Perhaps the question should not be "Project Players Yay or Nay" but "When are we going to sign a top player"? Apart from Hardaker who is only (potentially) available because of his past issues anyway I can't remember the last top player we were linked to despite senior players supposedly leaving.


Finding it hard to disagree with anything you’ve said there Dave. As for your last question could you have classed FPN as a big name? I’m leaving ever so slightly towards yes, despite his questionable performances. Prior to that Brett Finch/Ryan Hoffman I’d say.

It’s not really IL/SW’s policy to bring in big name recruits, it’s more their style to bring in developing players from either the academy or elsewhere, though not its biggest fan it is financially cost effective and we certainly can’t say it hasn’t produced success; whether we like the style of play or not.

I said this on another post but years ago we were clamouring for more British talent coming through the ranks and less Aussies. Now it has happened we’re now almost clamouring for the opposite, we can’t have it all ways. Perhaps we’ve swung the pendulum too far to British talent and need to find the balance, but thinking about in from an England RL perspective; coming within 6points of a World Cup, again can we really argue it isn’t working?
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Re: Project Players - Yay or Nay?
Post Wed May 09, 2018 5:54 pm
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Replacing a 22 year old NRL-bound prop for a 25 year old Championship prop is such a Wigan thing to do.
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JWarriors wrote:
Speaking of props, whatever happened to Bretherton?


He got injured in one of the pre-season friendlies or reserve games.
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I just can't see Sutton as a starting prop in the NRL. Well,we'll see, I suppose.
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Signing a prop from the lower leagues is nothing new for Wigan. Even with a plethora of world class talent in our 1991 squad we nipped over to lowly Rochdale and signed Neil Cowie. He didnt do too bad did he?

To be honest, I don't think Wigan do this enough. Other clubs have had much success signing players from the lower leagues where we rarely do these days.
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MattyB wrote:
Signing a prop from the lower leagues is nothing new for Wigan. Even with a plethora of world class talent in our 1991 squad we nipped over to lowly Rochdale and signed Neil Cowie. He didnt do too bad did he?

To be honest, I don't think Wigan do this enough. Other clubs have had much success signing players from the lower leagues where we rarely do these days.


Fully agree. It’s been frustrating to see teams like Saints, Wire and Leeds have success with guys like Walmsley, Hill and Hardaker whilst we never seem to look that way. There doesn’t seem a better time to be looking at the Championship either because the league is stronger then it’s ever been and lads like Bullock have been impressing against full time professionals with very good pedigree at higher levels.
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Finding it hard to disagree with anything you’ve said there Dave. As for your last question could you have classed FPN as a big name? I’m leaving ever so slightly towards yes, despite his questionable performances. Prior to that Brett Finch/Ryan Hoffman I’d say.

It’s not really IL/SW’s policy to bring in big name recruits, it’s more their style to bring in developing players from either the academy or elsewhere, though not its biggest fan it is financially cost effective and we certainly can’t say it hasn’t produced success; whether we like the style of play or not.

I said this on another post but years ago we were clamouring for more British talent coming through the ranks and less Aussies. Now it has happened we’re now almost clamouring for the opposite, we can’t have it all ways. Perhaps we’ve swung the pendulum too far to British talent and need to find the balance, but thinking about in from an England RL perspective; coming within 6points of a World Cup, again can we really argue it isn’t working?


I'll give you FPN though I suspect many had never heard of him before he signed. As to the general point I am not suggesting we max out the overseas quota for the sake of it as many clubs did in the past but given IL was one pf the main proponents of the marquee rule that we actually make use of it assuming Sam T is off and we have a slot available. Sport is supposed to be entertaining and I'd like to see a signing that didn't give the impression the club's motivation was always cost first.

It may be cost effective to bring in developing players but it's basically boring if this a repeated time after time. I also wonder what the motivation is to bring in developing players when we supposedly have the best production line going. They just get in the way of the home grown talent and you still don't know how they will turn out. I don't put this potential signing from Barrow in that bracket and as someone else said this seems like a Neil Cowie type of recruit.
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Re: Project Players - Yay or Nay?
Post Wed May 09, 2018 9:44 pm
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Rogues Gallery wrote:
Or maybe not having a proper reserve grade competition?

It certainly doesn't help these lads who bloom a little later than others.
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