Re: Wane hopeful for new season : Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:14 pm  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

You're happy issues have been addressed without knowing if the issues have actually been addressed.

I'll wait to see a number of games (probably 10 or so) before deciding.

I can't see that there's any real argument with this.

I've been accused of being a happy-clapper in the past, but I wasn't in that category at the end of last year. We are all fans, and we will attend games loyally, but we do have a right to be critical if things are going sideways, and that certainly was the impression many of us were left in at the end of 2017. More to the point, while we can't possibly know which issues have and haven't been addressed in training, there's no denying that it's the same team who messed up so badly last year, and the same coaching staff.

I don't think it's an OTT reaction to reserve judgement until we've got a few wins on the board.

Re: Wane hopeful for new season : Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:43 pm  

WANE OUT!!!! Just thought i would get that one in early..

Re: Wane hopeful for new season : Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:30 pm  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

You're happy issues have been addressed without knowing if the issues have actually been addressed.

I'll wait to see a number of games (probably 10 or so) before deciding.

It does seem people are going overboard with the performance at Leigh,lets be fair we won't know if the issues have been addressed for a good while yetis I'll join you in waiting a good few games and see how things are then, not off the back of a friendly.

Re: Wane hopeful for new season : Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:36 am  

hengirl wrote:

It does seem people are going overboard with the performance at Leigh,lets be fair we won't know if the issues have been addressed for a good while yetis I'll join you in waiting a good few games and see how things are then, not off the back of a friendly.

And how is that any different from what anyone else us saying? In 10 games time we'll all have a clearer picture of whether they've been addressed in full, part or not at all. It doesn't take some kind of special ability to work that one out. It'll be there for all to see Not really sure what the point is you're making. I'll tell you at the end of the season if we've won any trophies or not. I'm guessing you won't need me to tell you though.

Re: Wane hopeful for new season : Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:22 am  

I fully agree we need to wait until at least a couple of months in to the season to see which problems have and haven’t been addressed but all clubs could make a list of 4 or 5 things that need attention. Even if we’re going well in mid season we could still probably list a number of things that could be improved.

It’s all on attitude, effort and spirit for me. We have the talent in the side to win things but the players looked bored and disinterested last year at times. The main thing I took from the Leigh game was that the spirit looked excellent and the players looked happy to be back out there.

Re: Wane hopeful for new season : Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:52 am  

Some posters here are not reading anything into the result of a friendly, because we won... If we had lost MELTDOWN!!!

Re: Wane hopeful for new season : Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:46 pm  

NickyKiss wrote: I may be getting confused here but to my mind I always felt Sarginson looked like he’d be a better fit over on the right. The reason being that he seems to love that step back to the right, which over on the left kept taking him away from his winger (which was hugely frustrating). On that right side if he straightens and then goes right that should see him being able to link with his winger on far more occasions. If the space becomes tight then as is the norm, the winger comes inside to give his centre an option. Sarginson's left foot step whist playing at right centre would surely result in him stepping into touch would it not, Or he would surely run his winger out of his space? Big year for Shaun Wane coming up,especially after Radlinski reckons that they are SL's highest salary capped spending club https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-8949792

NickyKiss wrote: I may be getting confused here but to my mind I always felt Sarginson looked like he’d be a better fit over on the right. The reason being that he seems to love that step back to the right, which over on the left kept taking him away from his winger (which was hugely frustrating). On that right side if he straightens and then goes right that should see him being able to link with his winger on far more occasions. If the space becomes tight then as is the norm, the winger comes inside to give his centre an option. Sarginson's left foot step whist playing at right centre would surely result in him stepping into touch would it not, Or he would surely run his winger out of his space? Big year for Shaun Wane coming up,especially after Radlinski reckons that they are SL's highest salary capped spending club https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-8949792

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: Wane hopeful for new season : Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:17 pm  

The Chin's Back wrote: Sarginson's left foot step whist playing at right centre would surely result in him stepping into touch would it not, Or he would surely run his winger out of his space? Big year for Shaun Wane coming up,especially after Radlinski reckons that they are SL's highest salary capped spending club https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-8949792 This is my worry - his step would move him closer to touch and leave less space for Davies. Hopefully he can overcome his instincts and give Davies the option of both outside and inside runs.

The Chin's Back wrote: Sarginson's left foot step whist playing at right centre would surely result in him stepping into touch would it not, Or he would surely run his winger out of his space? Big year for Shaun Wane coming up,especially after Radlinski reckons that they are SL's highest salary capped spending club https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-8949792 This is my worry - his step would move him closer to touch and leave less space for Davies. Hopefully he can overcome his instincts and give Davies the option of both outside and inside runs.

Re: Wane hopeful for new season : Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:51 am  

The Chin's Back wrote: Sarginson's left foot step whist playing at right centre would surely result in him stepping into touch would it not, Or he would surely run his winger out of his space? Big year for Shaun Wane coming up,especially after Radlinski reckons that they are SL's highest salary capped spending club https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-8949792 That would be the worry but I’d rather him go towards his winger then away from him like he kept doing on the other side. I think back to top wingers centres over the years like Lyon and Gidley and they went towards the touch line and worked with minimal space to get their wingers in. We’re obviously talking about a much lower quality of player here but to be a good wingers centre, you’re going to have to take that risk of dealing with a lack of space imo. We had Darrel Goulding who did a similar job and would use a flick pass to get his wingers in close to the touch line.

The Chin's Back wrote: Sarginson's left foot step whist playing at right centre would surely result in him stepping into touch would it not, Or he would surely run his winger out of his space? Big year for Shaun Wane coming up,especially after Radlinski reckons that they are SL's highest salary capped spending club https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-8949792 That would be the worry but I’d rather him go towards his winger then away from him like he kept doing on the other side. I think back to top wingers centres over the years like Lyon and Gidley and they went towards the touch line and worked with minimal space to get their wingers in. We’re obviously talking about a much lower quality of player here but to be a good wingers centre, you’re going to have to take that risk of dealing with a lack of space imo. We had Darrel Goulding who did a similar job and would use a flick pass to get his wingers in close to the touch line.

Re: Wane hopeful for new season : Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:05 am  

I’m feeling positive about the year for the following reasons

1.) Lealuai not playing 7 ( in game kicking was dreadful)

2.) Players starting the year fully fit, Tomkins especially

3,) there’s a chance we’ll avoid a massive injury crisis for the first time in 2 years.

4,) a fit Clubb and Flower plus Hamlin and Naverette pushing should see improved play from the props (or they’ll be dropped)

5.) Our left side could be similar to Cas’ last season.

6.) Escare

7,) we have the best squad numbers 20-40 in the league, excited that this year the likes of Ganson, Wells, Field can come in to a side full of experience rather than last year when it was half first team half under 19s.

8.) small sample size but in game kicking was miles better last weekend. Goal kicking should improve too.

9.) Think the media thought McIlorum was a bigger player for Wigan than he actually was last year. Just wasn’t the same, missing tackles and only managing 20 min spells, although had a better WC. May have let him go a year too early but better than a year too late.

10.) the media has written us off, a lot of people saying 7th place!

Can’t wait