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Re: Sarginson Returns
Post Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:16 pm
Posted by NickyKiss on Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:16 pm
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If he has been signed on similar terms as he was on in 2014, and if no fee has been paid for his services then it will be a reasonable bit of business.

If Tony Gelling leaves, it should be in exchange for a transfer fee.


I just can’t see the NZ Warriors taking Gelling on. Looking at their squad they have 4 or 5 options already.

I’d be amazed even further if they were prepared to pay for him.
Re: Sarginson Returns
Post Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:43 pm
Posted by Trainman on Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:43 pm
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I think some people’s expectations of who we can and can’t sign are unrealistic. Unlike the previous owner IL is abiding by the salary cap which is devalued year on year. Looking at our squad many of us, including me field we need a utility back. It looks like KR & SW felt the same. In reality who else can we sign that firstly we can fit under the cap and secondly wants to come?

Gone are the days of being able to have a squad with internationals in every position, no quality antipodean with a clean record will move from the NRL to SL, even the ‘bad boys’ command marquee wage. Sarg imo is on the better side of average and still has the potential to be challenging for England again.
Re: Sarginson Returns
Post Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:09 pm
Posted by DaveO on Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:09 pm
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Rogues Gallery wrote:
Which particular ones do you recall?
Didn't Sarginson replace Mead at the Titans?


Well in response to your first question since it was 2016 none specifically, I am not blessed with total recall (!) and YouTube tends not to have highlights of errors to assist the memory, but these stats tell me my opinion of him is not a figment my my imagination

In his last season with us Sarge made 44 errors, (second highest in the entire SL and 12 more than Charnely who was 2nd in this at Wigan) and he gave away 20 penalties (joint second highest at Wigan, Tautai top on 21) for a return for just four tries. That is poor by any standards. So unless you think he made all those errors in one game the answer to your first question is that my recollection he was poor in most of them is correct.

As to replacing Mead, according to t'internet Mead left to join Brisbane so I have no idea if he was signed to replace him as in the Titans signed Sarge so they could offload Mead or if for some equally insane reason they thought he was good enough to do so just because Mead left. If he was any good they'd have kept him.
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Re: Sarginson Returns
Post Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:21 pm
Posted by Bigredwarrior on Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:21 pm
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DaveO wrote:
Well in response to your first question since it was 2016 none specifically, I am not blessed with total recall (!) and YouTube tends not to have highlights of errors to assist the memory, but these stats tell me my opinion of him is not a figment my my imagination

In his last season with us Sarge made 44 errors, (second highest in the entire SL and 12 more than Charnely who was 2nd in this at Wigan) and he gave away 20 penalties (joint second highest at Wigan, Tautai top on 21) for a return for just four tries. That is poor by any standards. So unless you think he made all those errors in one game the answer to your first question is that my recollection he was poor in most of them is correct.

As to replacing Mead, according to t'internet Mead left to join Brisbane so I have no idea if he was signed to replace him as in the Titans signed Sarge so they could offload Mead or if for some equally insane reason they thought he was good enough to do so just because Mead left. If he was any good they'd have kept him.

In his last season with us Dan Sarginson has a hell of a GF and posted the following stats.

530 Carries (most in SL)
48 Offloads (3rd highest in SL)
3561 metres made (6th highest in SL)

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Re: Sarginson Returns
Post Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:29 pm
Posted by Levrier on Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:29 pm
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IIRC he had the knack of providing a pass to his winger that helped Burgess look really good. That is more than either Gelling or Bateman can manage.
Re: Sarginson Returns
Post Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:24 pm
Posted by DaveO on Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:24 pm
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Listerofsmeg wrote:
DaveO I honestly think you would moan if we signed jesus, citing him having 3 days off with injury :)



How can you possibly say that? I was absolutely delighted when Sarge left in 2016. I'll be quite pleased if Gelling has done a bunk as well. Never sorry to see average and poor players leave ;) The downer is that if Gelling has done a runner it;s brought someone worse back!


Though we do have a bad track record with signing injured players that doesn't mean new wigan policy should be to sign only new players with no bruises.

There may be a few clubs in SL with a better centre than Gells or Sarge but not many. I don't think there is a SL club with 3 centre options better than gilly, gells and sarge. The whole of the Wigan club owes a big season to the fans for sticking with them through the past 2 years. We also owe them some patience considering previous success in spite of ridiculous runs of bad luck with regards to injuries, I think the one thing we can all agree on is that they really do but their bodies on the line, especially considering how many must have gone beyond usually pain barriers due to the people we were missing.

Wigan may have played a safe option here, if Gells is 50/50 and then sarge signs elsewhere then we are left with 1 starting centre and a prospect. If the past 2 years have taught us anything is the importance of strength in depth. There may be many squads who can match us 13v13 but I don't think anybody can match us for a full squad.

I'm ok with wigan playing it safe with signings so long as we see something more on the pitch.


Wigan already have a better centre pairing than those. It's Bateman and Gildart. I also don't see what is playing safe re-signing a player who has been out injured for such a long time and when he was last here was an error strewn penalty machine.
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Re: Sarginson Returns
Post Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:37 pm
Posted by Pieman on Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:37 pm
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Trainman wrote:
I think some people’s expectations of who we can and can’t sign are unrealistic. Unlike the previous owner IL is abiding by the salary cap which is devalued year on year. Looking at our squad many of us, including me field we need a utility back. It looks like KR & SW felt the same. In reality who else can we sign that firstly we can fit under the cap and secondly wants to come?

Gone are the days of being able to have a squad with internationals in every position, no quality antipodean with a clean record will move from the NRL to SL, even the ‘bad boys’ command marquee wage. Sarg imo is on the better side of average and still has the potential to be challenging for England again.


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Re: Sarginson Returns
Post Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:48 pm
Posted by ChrisA on Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:48 pm
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I'm not really upset at the re-sign of Sarginson on its own merit, what does upset me is this is probably as good as it gets and this is the state of SL in general.
Re: Sarginson Returns
Post Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:09 pm
Posted by Itchy Arsenal on Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:09 pm
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NickyKiss wrote:
His Grand Final wasn’t just one kick to the corner though was it? He was sensational that night in all aspects of his play.

Let’s not judge him on one good game though. He has some limitations of course but he also has a lot of strengths. I can’t think off too many realistic options who we could bring in that could cover fullback, wing, centre and stand off as well as Sarginson could.

Does he fill me with excitement as a first choice centre? Probably not but as a utility option, I think it’s a cracking piece of business.

I usually agre with most of your posts but on this we are at opposite ends of the universe.
Apart from fitness Sarginson offers nothing, zippo, nowt.
If he is centre then I'm the heavyweight champion of world.
He lacks pace, has no step, can't kick, poor defence and can't pass. Apart from that he has a sensational game.
Sorry NK but another backward step from the 3 amigos who are sensational at marketing the club NOT.

I had some regrets about renewing my season ticket however, this signing just about confirms to me that the club is more interested in the bloody Aussie trip than resolving the blindingly obvious deficiencies in the squad.

Radlinski recently emailed me about the farce of the academy final non broadcast and I think he spent more time emailing me than he has on recruitment. Oh I forgot we've got a part time kicking coach for a month or two so Radlinski has been hyper active on the recruitment front.

I just hope there are other signings around the corner but I won't hold my breath.
Re: Sarginson Returns
Post Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:49 pm
Posted by fleabag on Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:49 pm
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Underwhelmed . And what is this cliche "good bit of business" malarkey, being repeated here ? I have followed Wigan for over 50 years and whilst it 'might' be a business for the directors. I as a 'speccie' want to be entertained.

Re-signing yet another player, and who is injured, is not going to increase the season ticket sales or pack the stadium next season.

IMHO the club is just 'going through the motions' and is not desirous of providing us, the spectators, with exciting rugby league football. It's going to be more of the moribund and dour stuff we have had in recent seasons.
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