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Re: Patience lost : Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:50 pm  
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Possibly, but I am more familiar with the growth spurt being upwards rather than outwards. Given that professional players generally have their diet specially produced for them, and that a player not sticking to their diet would suffer the wrath of the coaching staff, it would seem more likely that this is part of the plan. My worry is that he is being set up to fail by being brought up to size too quickly.
You are right that we tend to go with smaller forwards but as a whole players are getting more massive. This is partly because South Sea Islanders are seen as perfect body types for the game, unfortunately Wigan is not far enough South and we produce a lot of short stocky forwards. This is possibly Darwinian as those too tall were unable to work down the mine and therefore were too weak to breed. This could explain why the Northern Union decided to get rid of line outs.



I'm with you in that he looks a little to old bulky at the minute, I'm just not sure who's to blame for that or if indeed anyone needs blaming. All you can hope is they either get him fitter so he carries it better or he sheds some size.

I'd love to think it would be the first one though because he's a unit and we do miss some size.
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Re: Patience lost : Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:12 pm  
If Wigan win GF from 8th position it would rank among the great escape :READING:
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Re: Patience lost : Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:04 pm  
[quote="Bigredwarrior"]Almost agree but if you can show me 2 back rowers in SL that run better lines at pace and strength that Faz and Bateman I'll eat my hat! /quote]

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Re: Patience lost : Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:29 pm  
[quote="fbstackafelt"]

Both great forwards but I'd argue the lines they run are not as good as Bateman and Farrell. Just my opinion.
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Re: Patience lost : Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:24 am  
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I'm with you in that he looks a little to old bulky at the minute, I'm just not sure who's to blame for that or if indeed anyone needs blaming. All you can hope is they either get him fitter so he carries it better or he sheds some size.

I'd love to think it would be the first one though because he's a unit and we do miss some size.

I'm quite hopeful that Young Wells is a great prospect longer term.
He is just a baby at the moment but I'm sure he will settle down and as you quite rightly say will add much needed bulk to our pack.
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Re: Patience lost : Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:48 am  
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Possibly, but I am more familiar with the growth spurt being upwards rather than outwards. Given that professional players generally have their diet specially produced for them, and that a player not sticking to their diet would suffer the wrath of the coaching staff, it would seem more likely that this is part of the plan. My worry is that he is being set up to fail by being brought up to size too quickly.
You are right that we tend to go with smaller forwards but as a whole players are getting more massive. This is partly because South Sea Islanders are seen as perfect body types for the game, unfortunately Wigan is not far enough South and we produce a lot of short stocky forwards. This is possibly Darwinian as those too tall were unable to work down the mine and therefore were too weak to breed. This could explain why the Northern Union decided to get rid of line outs.

Tall people to weak to breed? Short, stocky types absolute fertility machines? This forum's gone a bit 'Handmaid's Tale' all of a sudden!
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Re: Patience lost : Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:09 pm  
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Tall people to weak to breed? Short, stocky types absolute fertility machines? This forum's gone a bit 'Handmaid's Tale' all of a sudden!

Sorry, on holiday with a drink in my hand. This is possibly why I am spouting as much cr%p as Margaret Atwood. :DRUMMER:
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Re: Patience lost : Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:47 pm  
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Sorry, on holiday with a drink in my hand. This is possibly why I am spouting as much cr%p as Margaret Atwood. :DRUMMER:

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