Re: Lockers : Wed May 25, 2016 4:39 pm  

This subject rears it's head quite a few times a season but it is a very relevant subject. For me yes i agree, i think it's time to retire for both him and the club's sake. He has lost any pace he had, his aggression is still there but it is littered with bad passes, penalties and constantly jawing at the ref's now. It is time to retire for me certainly. We aren't missing what he brings to the table any more. i think from the club's point of view, every season is built around him but we can't rely on him on the field any more (when he is fit enough to get on it) and need to look to move forward. I don't like the idea of Bateman at 13, i would like to see a seasoned, experienced NRL type of loose forward here to take up the mantle.

On the subject of future captain. 100% Sam. He has matured an awful lot in the last few years, is highly experienced in the big matches and he seems to now talk to the ref's in a considered manner rather than an aggressive and childish one he used to do.

Re: Lockers : Wed May 25, 2016 5:51 pm  

Peacock was one of the worst disciplined players in SL but was a great player and captain. He also got sin binned for fighting plenty of times. Ditto Andy Farrell.

Sinfield had no pace and chirped at the ref every 5 minutes but was a great player and captain.

Re: Lockers : Thu May 26, 2016 9:26 am  

Wigg'n wrote:

Peacock was one of the worst disciplined players in SL but was a great player and captain. He also got sin binned for fighting plenty of times. Ditto Andy Farrell.

Sinfield had no pace and chirped at the ref every 5 minutes but was a great player and captain.

I'd class Peacock is a good cool head under pressure though. He will stand up for himself and his team mates in fights obviously but I tend to think that's when it is required of him to be an enforcer (e.g when Fielden got floored) rather than when the opposition have managed to get under his skin. You can't really put Peacock off his game like that, but you can with Bateman.

Farrell was a brilliant player, lead by example and him rollocking the team under the sticks was crowd pleasing, but controversially I'm not convinced his 'shout at everyone' style of captaincy was very effective. I suppose it's difficult not to give a player the captaincy when he is a miles better player than those around him though.

Sinfield - I've no idea what his pace has to do with it. Again, he was a cool head under pressure, no issue with him talking to the referee, I don't recall him ever giving away a penalty for dissent or appearing out of control. He is likely someone the referees could communicate effectively with. I can't say the same for Bateman at this stage.

Re: Lockers : Thu May 26, 2016 10:21 am  

Grimmy wrote:

I'd class Peacock is a good cool head under pressure though. He will stand up for himself and his team mates in fights obviously but I tend to think that's when it is required of him to be an enforcer (e.g when Fielden got floored) rather than when the opposition have managed to get under his skin. You can't really put Peacock off his game like that, but you can with Bateman.

Farrell was a brilliant player, lead by example and him rollocking the team under the sticks was crowd pleasing, but controversially I'm not convinced his 'shout at everyone' style of captaincy was very effective. I suppose it's difficult not to give a player the captaincy when he is a miles better player than those around him though.

Sinfield - I've no idea what his pace has to do with it. Again, he was a cool head under pressure, no issue with him talking to the referee, I don't recall him ever giving away a penalty for dissent or appearing out of control. He is likely someone the referees could communicate effectively with. I can't say the same for Bateman at this stage.

I recall Sinfield getting a red card for head butting someone not so long ago.

Re: Lockers : Thu May 26, 2016 10:28 am  

Grimmy wrote:

I'd class Peacock is a good cool head under pressure though. He will stand up for himself and his team mates in fights obviously but I tend to think that's when it is required of him to be an enforcer (e.g when Fielden got floored) rather than when the opposition have managed to get under his skin. You can't really put Peacock off his game like that, but you can with Bateman.

Farrell was a brilliant player, lead by example and him rollocking the team under the sticks was crowd pleasing, but controversially I'm not convinced his 'shout at everyone' style of captaincy was very effective. I suppose it's difficult not to give a player the captaincy when he is a miles better player than those around him though.

Sinfield - I've no idea what his pace has to do with it. Again, he was a cool head under pressure, no issue with him talking to the referee, I don't recall him ever giving away a penalty for dissent or appearing out of control. He is likely someone the referees could communicate effectively with. I can't say the same for Bateman at this stage.

It's pretty clear that, either together or individually, Peacock and Sinfield provided what Leeds are sorely lacking at present - and that is quality leadership.

Faz's shouty style was more from the Alex Murphy school of captaincy, and the trouble with that is if that's all you've got where do you when the players get used to it? That, for me, is why Murph ultimately got found out as a coach. But as you stay, Faz was so much better than everyone else around him that he was a towering figure and an obvious skipper.

I preferred the Hanley approach myself, which was to maintain a constant dialogue with the ref and rather than publically bollock his players if they got things wrong, have a quiet and encouraging word with them. I know he gave out team rollockings, but that's fair enough as no individual was being humiliated.

Re: Lockers : Thu May 26, 2016 10:44 am  

FIOS wrote:

I recall Sinfield getting a red card for head butting someone not so long ago.

You can't define a whole players' career because of one moment of madness. On the whole, Sinfield was generally the ultimate professional. Great captain.

Re: Lockers : Thu May 26, 2016 10:50 am  

FIOS wrote:

I recall Sinfield getting a red card for head butting someone not so long ago.

Memorable mainly because it was totally out of character. Surely you wouldn't say that typified him as a player or captain?

Re: Lockers : Thu May 26, 2016 11:11 am  

I didn't say I was defining his career on that moment nor would I say that typified him as a player or captain. I was merely pointing it out as a fact as Grimmy had said he didn't recall Sinfield ever giving away a penalty.

Re: Lockers : Thu May 26, 2016 11:26 am  

FIOS wrote:

I didn't say I was defining his career on that moment nor would I say that typified him as a player or captain. I was merely pointing it out as a fact as Grimmy had said he didn't recall Sinfield ever giving away a penalty.

I think you have misread my post. I said I couldn't remember him giving away a penalty for dissent, i.e he is presumably talking to the referee in an acceptable manner

Re: Lockers : Thu May 26, 2016 1:54 pm  

FIOS wrote:

I recall Sinfield getting a red card for head butting someone not so long ago.

It was Castleford's Luke Dorn that Sinfield head butted. In his recently released book, Sinfield said he has no regrets over the incident.