Goal kicking : Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:50 pm  

Just watched the '98 final back again (Wigan beat Leeds) and what struck me was just how much of an advantage we had in having a kicker of Andy Farrell's pedigree. Not only for goal kicks but also penalty kicks at goal. Farrell kicked almost every time we had a penalty even from 40 metres out and he converted all of them.

Like all Grand Finals I expect Saturday's game to be close and our lack of a consistent kicker is worrying me. Why is it that Bowen has now taken over kicking duty's from Smith? Both of them have been hit and miss and they are both confidence-kickers; you just know if they miss the first one they will miss a lot in the game. Leeds having Snifield, Hardake, McGuire and several other who would be first choice kickers if they were at our club gives them a huge advantage in my eyes.

Whilst conversions matter immensely in games of this magnitude I'm more concerned about the penalties we may need to kick. For example if the game was tight and we had a penalty from an angle at 40 metres you'd fear we would have to go for the harder option of playing the set as we wouldnt have the players who could take those pressure kicks.

I hope I'm wrong and it doesn't come down to kicking which decides the game on Saturday but I do expect it to be very close.

Re: Goal kicking : Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:57 pm  

I could be wrong but it feels as though Bowens kicking percentage must be pretty high since he took over the job full time a few weeks back?

You'll not out kick Sinfield but if he can be nailing a decent percentage he'll give us a shot.

Re: Goal kicking : Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:02 pm  

Bowen's % is 70, lower than Smith's 71%.

However this game will be won with tries not goal kicks. If we can keep Leeds below 4 scores, we have every chance.

Re: Goal kicking : Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:04 pm  

Pacific wrote:

Just watched the '98 final back again (Wigan beat Leeds) and what struck me was just how much of an advantage we had in having a kicker of Andy Farrell's pedigree. Not only for goal kicks but also penalty kicks at goal. Farrell kicked almost every time we had a penalty even from 40 metres out and he converted all of them.

Like all Grand Finals I expect Saturday's game to be close and our lack of a consistent kicker is worrying me. Why is it that Bowen has now taken over kicking duty's from Smith? Both of them have been hit and miss and they are both confidence-kickers; you just know if they miss the first one they will miss a lot in the game. Leeds having Snifield, Hardake, McGuire and several other who would be first choice kickers if they were at our club gives them a huge advantage in my eyes.

Whilst conversions matter immensely in games of this magnitude I'm more concerned about the penalties we may need to kick. For example if the game was tight and we had a penalty from an angle at 40 metres you'd fear we would have to go for the harder option of playing the set as we wouldnt have the players who could take those pressure kicks.

I hope I'm wrong and it doesn't come down to kicking which decides the game on Saturday but I do expect it to be very close.

Couple of points in reply

1/ I'd like to see Bowen s stats since he kicked for first time proper Warrington away.
2/ know way would Maguire be first choice at Wigan and I seriously doubt Hardaker would although with work I suspect he could become decent.

Whatever the reason for Bowen taking over I suspect the stats above will confirm it was the right choice and both Bowen and Smith have built in confidence since. If as I suspect Bowen is at 75%ish then for me that's good enough.
If we worry about not having a kicker as good as Sinfield then we'll be worrying for a long time. He's as good as anything I've seen consistantly.

With regards to the 98GF then I confidently predict it won't pee down as much as it did that night. It may rain, but it won't put anywhere near what it did that day down which made kicking so important that day.

Re: Goal kicking : Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:05 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

Bowen's % is 70, lower than Smith's 71%.

However this game will be won with tries not goal kicks. If we can keep Leeds below 4 scores, we have every chance.

Can you confirm stats since Wolf's away when he was given job full time?

Re: Goal kicking : Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:08 pm  

Looking since he took it full time (at Warrington)he's knocked over 25 goals from 31 attempts (it doesn't state on the Wigan site if he missed any penalties though so his attempts may be slightly higher) which is a success rate of just over 80%.

A very impressive success rate for a guy who's never been a regular kicker (from memory).

Re: Goal kicking : Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:10 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Looking since he took it full time (at Warrington)he's knocked over 25 goals from 31 attempts (it doesn't state on the Wigan site if he missed any penalties though so his attempts may be slightly higher) which is a success rate of just over 80%.

A very impressive success rate for a guy who's never been a regular kicker (from memory).

Fair dos.

Super League opta stats says 21 goals from 28 attempts!

Re: Goal kicking : Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:11 pm  

Danny McGuire has kicked literally one goal in his entire career. Burrow is a decent goalkicker, but Hardaker and Sutcliffe are very hit and miss. However as long as we've had Sinfield that hasn't really mattered.

Bowen seems to me to have kicked well for Wigan since he took over.

Re: Goal kicking : Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:25 pm  

craigizzard wrote:

Danny McGuire has kicked literally one goal in his entire career. Burrow is a decent goalkicker, but Hardaker and Sutcliffe are very hit and miss. However as long as we've had Sinfield that hasn't really mattered.

Bowen seems to me to have kicked well for Wigan since he took over.

Correct about Burrow up to a point. Iirc he had the chance to kick Leeds to a win at the JJB (as was then) , Sinfield off the field for some reason. Leeds got a penalty and we were on the ropes tbh, I sort of went "yes" when they decided to go for goal.
He missed
Think it may have been the Farrell broken nose game

Re: Goal kicking : Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:32 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

Fair dos.

Super League opta stats says 21 goals from 28 attempts!

Wigan site could be out but it feels around 80% to me with the naked eye.

His 7/7 at Millwall certainly helps.