Re: Iestyn Harris : Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:32 pm  

CyberPieMan wrote:

Well the Crusaders experiment went well didn't it? I don't remember Wales doing that well recently either. You should never stop learning. The day you're that arrogant to believe you've nothing more to learn, then you need to change your name to Geoff Boycott.

Who said he should stop learning?

Do you really attribute the failings of the Crusaders to the coaching or playing staff? They made the playoffs and generally competed.

Re: Iestyn Harris : Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:08 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Do you really attribute the failings of the Crusaders to the coaching or playing staff? They made the playoffs and generally competed.

It was a catalog of errors, from poor play to some dodgy financial decisions via an argument with the Home Office. So, no, I don't blame Harris as the sole reason for what happened did. I just don't think he was ready & maybe even thought more of his abilities than was the reality.
And as far as the tautology between being an apprentice and never stopping learning is concerned, you could argue that Agar is back in school under Smith (although I cede that doesn't seem to be going too well either at the moment).

Re: Iestyn Harris : Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:30 pm  

I don't get the criticism of Agar. He got Hull FC to a cup final and he got Trinity to the playoffs. Two pretty decent coaching feats. He did a reasonable job at the World Cup, with the French playing well against NZ IIRC. Quite how anyone can attribute Wire's poor season to him is beyond me. Maybe the fact that that they still haven't replaced Briers may have more to do with it than anything Agar has done.

Re: Iestyn Harris : Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:11 pm  

Aboveusonlypie wrote:

I don't get the criticism of Agar. He got Hull FC to a cup final and he got Trinity to the playoffs. Two pretty decent coaching feats. He did a reasonable job at the World Cup, with the French playing well against NZ IIRC. Quite how anyone can attribute Wire's poor season to him is beyond me. Maybe the fact that that they still haven't replaced Briers may have more to do with it than anything Agar has done.

he's not a bad coach/manager, I just consider him rather mediocre, an also-ran in the grand pantheon of RL greats. And back on topic, I just wonder if Harris did bite off more than he was able to cope with at both Wales, Crusaders and then Reds. Although he's been very poorly tret by Koucash. What's Sheens making of it all? I bet he's wondering what he walked into. I'd be surprised if he's there beyond the end of the season - unless, of course, Burgess flip-flops codes and joins that oh so merry band

Re: Iestyn Harris : Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:13 pm  

CyberPieMan wrote:

Really?
Harris went to Salford for the same reason everyone else did. Who wouldn't have? He might have been a half decent coach if he'd just served that little bit more time as an apprentice (whether with us or elsewhere). He might well be in the future. Although, I suspect he's destined to be just another jobbing coach in the same league as the likes of Agar.
He's well out of it away from Koukash though.

Harris' time at Wigan was always going to short lived after our grand final victory over Warrington.