Re: Super League Dream Team - (stolen from Leeds board) : Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:55 pm  

Father Ted wrote:

Dream team yes, reality team no!

McGillvary and Watkins can't defend, they can tackle but not defend.
Carney at 6, A class apart from every other 6 in SL.
Roby a must, 80 mins for Saints every match.
Cuthbertson is a great off loader, under pressure he messes up and when shut down anonymous.
Walmsley, grat player but needs spelling three times a game, no future in that, he's got to get fitter.

Hardaker,
Carney (Cas), Percival, Shenton, Burgess,
Carney (Cats) Smith,
Hill, Roby, Peacock,
Bateman, Ablett,
O'Loughlin.

You've got to have players who can attack and defend. One or the other isn't enough.

It's ultimately a form (a consistent 7 months worth of form)team that's being picked though not a dream team in the sense of who you think the best players are overall.

If it were then Lockers would definitely get in at 13, Carney at 6 and Roby at 9 in my side but that's not what's being picked.

I also can't agree that Watkins can't defend. It's an area of his game that's steadily improved over time. Do I think he's the second coming that sky make out? No not even close, he not in the class of guys from the earlier superleague eras like Newlove, Connolly, Lyon etc but he is easily the best about at the moment.

Re: Super League Dream Team - (stolen from Leeds board) : Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:45 pm  

[quote="moto748"
I'd go with aboveus's side except Williams for Carney (purely on the basis that Carney hasn't had the games in SL; I don't think he should get in on past performances). Toss-up between Gale and Brough for the 7. Bateman just possibly ahead of Whitehead.[/quote]

I picked Todd Carney on the form he has showed. He has played ten games and Catalans have won eight of them I think. If he'd played a full season the Dragons would have made the top four easily. His classis undeniable. Much as I'd love to pick Williams, Carney has showed too much even in a shortened season. His passing skills are sublime. Better than anyone in the world not just Super League.

Re: Super League Dream Team - (stolen from Leeds board) : Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:08 pm  

Hardaker

McGillvary
Percival
Watkins
Burgess

McGuire
Kelly

Peacock
Aiton
Hill
Farrell
Wilkin
Cuthbertson

Re: Super League Dream Team - (stolen from Leeds board) : Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:31 pm  

Father Ted wrote:

Dream team yes, reality team no!

McGillvary and Watkins can't defend, they can tackle but not defend.
Carney at 6, A class apart from every other 6 in SL.
Roby a must, 80 mins for Saints every match.
Cuthbertson is a great off loader, under pressure he messes up and when shut down anonymous.
Walmsley, grat player but needs spelling three times a game, no future in that, he's got to get fitter.

Hardaker,
Carney (Cas), Percival, Shenton, Burgess,
Carney (Cats) Smith,
Hill, Roby, Peacock,
Bateman, Ablett,
O'Loughlin.

You've got to have players who can attack and defend. One or the other isn't enough.

Smith is lucky to be getting picked in the Wigan team let alone be in the Dream team.

Re: Super League Dream Team - (stolen from Leeds board) : Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:37 pm  

Father Ted wrote:

Dream team yes, reality team no!

McGillvary and Watkins can't defend, they can tackle but not defend.
Carney at 6, A class apart from every other 6 in SL.
Roby a must, 80 mins for Saints every match.
Cuthbertson is a great off loader, under pressure he messes up and when shut down anonymous.
Walmsley, grat player but needs spelling three times a game, no future in that, he's got to get fitter.

Hardaker,
Carney (Cas), Percival, Shenton, Burgess,
Carney (Cats) Smith,
Hill, Roby, Peacock,
Bateman, Ablett,
O'Loughlin.

You've got to have players who can attack and defend. One or the other isn't enough.

Not sure I'd be pointing out the importance of each individual being able to defend then picking Smith. Not that he would get in on attacking merit anyway

Re: Super League Dream Team - (stolen from Leeds board) : Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:56 pm  

The title is Dream Team, no criteria mentioned.

When Wigan play Leeds how often do they attack the Moon/Hall wing? Almost never, they almost always go towards Watkins/Briscoe(Handley). Two weeks ago both sides scored four tries, weren't all Wigan's down the left attack, Leeds right defence? Not looked at the replay but I'm pretty sure they were.

Hardaker, best in SL.
Carney (Cas) A great attacking threat with a tremendous crash tackle.
Percival/Shenton both have had excellent seasons and can attack and defend.
Burgess, best in SL this season.
Carney (Cats) A class apart.
Smith, organiser and good field kicking game.
Hill, very good prop one of the best around.
Roby, can't be dropped.
Peacock, best prop in SL
Bateman, a very good back rower who can defend and attack.
Ablett, same as Bateman.
O'Loughlin, the best 13 in SL.

A team that can attack and defend with great leaders in Peacock, Shenton, Carney (Cats) & O'Loughlin who would be the leadership team.

Re: Super League Dream Team - (stolen from Leeds board) : Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:50 pm  

Sorry but no way will that be the dream team.

The criteria is the best player in that position throughout the season. Always has been that criteria?

O'Loughlin and Smith? Not a chance. Cuthbertson and McGuire/Gale clearly.
Walmsley has easily been the best prop in the comp. He's a machine.
Carney won't get in either, he's only played 10 games. He'll probably get Man of Steel based on Roby winning it that time though.
Plenty of second rowers better than Ablett too. Minichiello would be my pick but there's also Taia, Whitehead, Ward, Holmes off the top of my head.

Re: Super League Dream Team - (stolen from Leeds board) : Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:03 am  

CobraCraig wrote:

Smith is lucky to be getting picked in the Wigan team let alone be in the Dream team.

Jaysus

Re: Super League Dream Team - (stolen from Leeds board) : Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:47 am  

O'Loughlin? He has been a quality player for Wigan and England/GB for many years, but on this years form I can't see him in the dream team.

Re: Super League Dream Team - (stolen from Leeds board) : Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:18 pm  

Bateman and Burgess from Wigan, any more and that's just cherryandwhite specs speaking.