Bit of an over reaction this thread. If he doesn't deliver much in regards of results against Leeds, Saints or Hudds then his position maybe become available. Not always the answer though.
There's obvious problems when we go away from home, there's no hiding from that. I have no idea how, why or the reasons behind it, but we turn into a team of Wakefield's standards. The performance yesterday was nothing short of embarrassing, and I think it was even more embarrassing in my opinion, because I do believe we're capable of trophies with this squad.
It's very easy to criticise and say "He's piggybacked off Madge", but I'm still reluctant to turn on Wane. A double winning coach, especially in an era of both the big final's being so close to each other, must have something about him. When we play at home, we're displaying what I believe the team is capable of producing on a more regular basis in a couple of years time. Attacking wise at home, it's miles better than anything I remember us producing under Maguire.
Wane has also had his best players constantly being sold on or leaving where I think Wane didn't have a say in the decision, and been given the job of having to replace them. Since he joined in 2012 we've lost:
S. Tomkins (returning), Richards, Carmont, J. Tomkins (returned), Leuluai, Finch, Green, Lima, Mossop (returned).
The quality in those players, especially in the likes of Sam, you'd argue are irreplaceable. Yet, despite the player turnover, we've still been moderately successful.
This squad, if my maths are correct, are the youngest squad on average and that must be encouraging to think of the level they can get to. Wane has done a good job at Wigan, he's won every domestic trophy in his first three seasons as a Head Coach, and with a returning world class full back in Sam Tomkins as well as Bateman, Gelling, Manfredi etc another year maturer, we can get better with Wane as coach of Wigan RL.
He does however, need to calm down with the press conference nonsense, he's basically writing the opposition team talk. He still has a lot to learn, but I believe he's capable of doing so.
So I'm firmly in the Wane In camp for now, but like many have said, if results on the road continue as they are, IL may be left with no choice.
There's obvious problems when we go away from home, there's no hiding from that. I have no idea how, why or the reasons behind it, but we turn into a team of Wakefield's standards. The performance yesterday was nothing short of embarrassing, and I think it was even more embarrassing in my opinion, because I do believe we're capable of trophies with this squad.
It's very easy to criticise and say "He's piggybacked off Madge", but I'm still reluctant to turn on Wane. A double winning coach, especially in an era of both the big final's being so close to each other, must have something about him. When we play at home, we're displaying what I believe the team is capable of producing on a more regular basis in a couple of years time. Attacking wise at home, it's miles better than anything I remember us producing under Maguire.
Wane has also had his best players constantly being sold on or leaving where I think Wane didn't have a say in the decision, and been given the job of having to replace them. Since he joined in 2012 we've lost:
S. Tomkins (returning), Richards, Carmont, J. Tomkins (returned), Leuluai, Finch, Green, Lima, Mossop (returned).
The quality in those players, especially in the likes of Sam, you'd argue are irreplaceable. Yet, despite the player turnover, we've still been moderately successful.
This squad, if my maths are correct, are the youngest squad on average and that must be encouraging to think of the level they can get to. Wane has done a good job at Wigan, he's won every domestic trophy in his first three seasons as a Head Coach, and with a returning world class full back in Sam Tomkins as well as Bateman, Gelling, Manfredi etc another year maturer, we can get better with Wane as coach of Wigan RL.
He does however, need to calm down with the press conference nonsense, he's basically writing the opposition team talk. He still has a lot to learn, but I believe he's capable of doing so.
So I'm firmly in the Wane In camp for now, but like many have said, if results on the road continue as they are, IL may be left with no choice.
Thanks Tatts you summarised my own thoughts far better than I could myself. By my nature I am still behind SW as I think he is a better coach than he gets the credit for however, the last displays have been abysmal and if we do not make the top 4 which is entirely possible then IL will definitely give SW the bullet. Last night I was very negative now I'm just very disappointed. SW and his back room team have take responsibility and start the process of improving moral and discipline. SOL, Smith, MM, Mossop and Bowen need a rocket up their arses and need to lead by example in effort, discipline and doing the simple things right. IL and Radlinski need to get a grip with SW and stop all this nonsense about referees and knocking the opposition in public. The opposition now know that if you attack Wigan in centres then tries are inevitable with the present duo. SW and his team need to show us they have the skills and the know how to address this and significantly improve our consistency in attack. I personally don't know how they will do this but hopefully SW does and he still has the desire to complete this task. I anticipate a defeat against Leeds but expect a much improved performance.
As a neutral I'd still stick with him unless you had a quality replacement eyed up.
It could help if IL (or anybody) had a word to him about some of the stuff that comes out of his mouth as I'd not see how that helps. If it's to fire up the players then fine, but keep that to the changing rooms and not the media for the opposition to read.
I mean, at home you are still probably the toughest team to beat in the whole competition so that shouldn't be forgotten. The away form is concerning. I think a key factor is the amount of (or lack of) leaders you have on the field apart from SOL who often isn't there. The likes of Green, Leuluai, Richards, Carmont etc are a big loss in that particular aspect.
For me Wane could still be the right man but he needs to have a look at himself and admit that there's a few things he has to alter about his own style and approach to management. We often talk about players growing and maturing into their positions and roles in a team with experience and as time goes by, I think the same applies to coaches.
We were stuffed by Widnes 2 weeks ago - big deal. Wigan is the team to beat for the SL title this season and I'm not getting lulled into a false sense of security just because you were beaten by Catalans in France. What your club is achieving with home grown talent is great for RL in this country and something that should be possible for us all. Keep faith in the big hairy bloke in charge.
Warrington led 16-2 in Saturday's Grand Final, but their joy was short-lived as Wigan roared back to win the Super League title and extend the Wire's 58-year wait to be champions
It's still going strong is that one 4 years later and over a hundred. Tbh most of the time when it pops up again after a loss its usually a non-Leeds fan who starts it however you still get a couple of the same people knee-jerking over a couple of defeats. After the run of 3 games without a win you had the usual suspects two weeks ago saying they couldn't see any possible way Leeds would finish top and was worried we might not make the top 4 and that it would be a major shock if we won the GF this year.
Some people (and every club has some fans like this) simply have no patience at all to ride out the stormy times that will inevitably happen. The 2011 season with Leeds is well documented in that thread, I also remember looking on here after we beat you in the final regular league game of 2013 at your place and their was a few Wigan posters then writing off Wigan's chances in the playoffs yet to stormed through to win the GF.
It's still going strong is that one 4 years later and over a hundred. Tbh most of the time when it pops up again after a loss its usually a non-Leeds fan who starts it however you still get a couple of the same people knee-jerking over a couple of defeats. After the run of 3 games without a win you had the usual suspects two weeks ago saying they couldn't see any possible way Leeds would finish top and was worried we might not make the top 4 and that it would be a major shock if we won the GF this year.
Some people (and every club has some fans like this) simply have no patience at all to ride out the stormy times that will inevitably happen. The 2011 season with Leeds is well documented in that thread, I also remember looking on here after we beat you in the final regular league game of 2013 at your place and their was a few Wigan posters then writing off Wigan's chances in the playoffs yet to stormed through to win the GF.