Re: Wane OUT : Mon May 25, 2015 4:38 pm  

They beat us 42-0 there last season and we all know what went on to happen.

Such is the competetiveness of SL (bar Wakefield), the team finishing top of the league tends to lose around 8 games (judging by the past few years). That's a fair percentage of games to lose. Gone are the days when you could pummel nearly everyone and only lose a couple of games.

My point is, I HATE that spud headed coach of yours. Married with the natural rivalry between Saints & Wigan, Wane has your team frothing at the mouth. He inspires the young lads who step up into the team to hit lads much bigger & experienced than them. He's a great coach who works really well with the resources he has. He loves Wigan and that trickles down to his players.

The few who want him out are barmy imo.

Re: Wane OUT : Mon May 25, 2015 6:15 pm  

Twentyman wrote:

They beat us 42-0 there last season and we all know what went on to happen.

Such is the competetiveness of SL (bar Wakefield), the team finishing top of the league tends to lose around 8 games (judging by the past few years). That's a fair percentage of games to lose. Gone are the days when you could pummel nearly everyone and only lose a couple of games.

My point is, I HATE that spud headed coach of yours. Married with the natural rivalry between Saints & Wigan, Wane has your team frothing at the mouth. He inspires the young lads who step up into the team to hit lads much bigger & experienced than them. He's a great coach who works really well with the resources he has. He loves Wigan and that trickles down to his players.

The few who want him out are barmy imo.

I'm undecided, however I don't think they're barmy when you consider our away form.

Re: Wane OUT : Mon May 25, 2015 8:08 pm  

The Wigan coaching job is results based as all the coaching jobs are.
For the second season we are out of the C Cup.
We are thrid in the League Table based purely on our home form which is excellent.
Our away form is disastrous. Not won away since last July.
If we don't win any of the next three which are all away from the DW then we have a team who look likely they won't make the top two for a home GF draw.
If we don't turn around the away results then I reckon the results of a second season with a trophy will start IL looking around.
I can't see him risking a third season without a trophy.
If the away results do turn around and the wins start coming then things and personnel will stay as they now are.

Re: Wane OUT : Tue May 26, 2015 8:59 am  

I disagree with the SW out.

I'm consisted a young un, compared to many fans on here, doesn't mean I've not spent my life on the terraces of Central Park/DW Stadium week in week out, so I have an understanding of the passion towards Wigan winning.

SW has developed most of this squad via our youth system and as much as it pains me to say it, we are off the needed standard to win on all 3 accounts, mainly due to the fact we are in a development phase. Our squad is hugely young in alot of the main areas.

But it kills me the way SW chops and changes the squad all the time.

We of course lack in defence in areas, so I'll explain below what squad I'd pick and stand by it for as long as I could.

Bowen - Out and out World Class FB, patchy for us, but can pull the class moment out of nothing.

Charnley
Gildart - Showing potential on loan, thought he'd get a chance whilst Gelling is out)
Tomkins - Bulk that right hand side defence up and proven talent to unleash the pace of Gildart and Charnley.

Lockers - Many will think what the **** in 2nd row, but think Sarge needs that much needed guidance and help in defence at the moment, it's Burg/Sarge who make the breaks with pace on the left, imagine Lockers drawing the opposing 2nd row and centre with the ability to throw that pass at the end.
Sarge
Burgess

Williams - Think he makes a better #9 then Powell, but feel he's the future #6 for years to come.
Smith - Consisted a very young 6/7, will develop over the seaon.

Mossop
Mickey
Crosby

Bateman - Don't think he can be dropped from the starting line up whether Lockers is fit or not, currently showing passion to the club and gives his all.

Subs
Hampshire - In to #6 Williams to #9 whilst Mikey as a breather
Mr T
Sutton - Flower to replace when fully fit (used in #13 with Batemen to 2nd row during games or out and out prop)
Patrick - Clubb to replace when fully fit, Clubb to start instead of Crosby.

Just my 2 pennys worth on the current issues.

Re: Wane OUT : Tue May 26, 2015 11:39 am  

MarkA1987 wrote:

I disagree with the SW out.

I'm consisted a young un, compared to many fans on here, doesn't mean I've not spent my life on the terraces of Central Park/DW Stadium week in week out, so I have an understanding of the passion towards Wigan winning.

SW has developed most of this squad via our youth system and as much as it pains me to say it, we are off the needed standard to win on all 3 accounts, mainly due to the fact we are in a development phase. Our squad is hugely young in alot of the main areas.

But it kills me the way SW chops and changes the squad all the time.

We of course lack in defence in areas, so I'll explain below what squad I'd pick and stand by it for as long as I could.

Bowen - Out and out World Class FB, patchy for us, but can pull the class moment out of nothing.

Charnley
Gildart - Showing potential on loan, thought he'd get a chance whilst Gelling is out)
Tomkins - Bulk that right hand side defence up and proven talent to unleash the pace of Gildart and Charnley.

Lockers - Many will think what the **** in 2nd row, but think Sarge needs that much needed guidance and help in defence at the moment, it's Burg/Sarge who make the breaks with pace on the left, imagine Lockers drawing the opposing 2nd row and centre with the ability to throw that pass at the end.
Sarge
Burgess

Williams - Think he makes a better #9 then Powell, but feel he's the future #6 for years to come.
Smith - Consisted a very young 6/7, will develop over the seaon.

Mossop
Mickey
Crosby

Bateman - Don't think he can be dropped from the starting line up whether Lockers is fit or not, currently showing passion to the club and gives his all.

Subs
Hampshire - In to #6 Williams to #9 whilst Mikey as a breather
Mr T
Sutton - Flower to replace when fully fit (used in #13 with Batemen to 2nd row during games or out and out prop)
Patrick - Clubb to replace when fully fit, Clubb to start instead of Crosby.

Just my 2 pennys worth on the current issues.

That is so confusing.

Re: Wane OUT : Tue May 26, 2015 12:31 pm  

I'm glad it's not just me!


Perhaps we're missing the Excel spreadsheet and Powerpoint presentation?

[DaveO]

Re: Wane OUT : Sat May 30, 2015 4:44 pm  

Irregular Hoops wrote:

We've had years of coaches telling us that success would come once they had "their team"
My argument is that MM hardly signed anyone for you and yet turned you into champions.

It's a point I have made several times. He took a team that under Brian Noble looked pretty average and turned them into the best side in the competition by some distance. It's a great example of how a top coach can get the best out of the players he has at his disposal.

In comparison to MM, is Wane getting the best out of what he has available? The away form says definitely not but I don't think he is generally. Players like Patrick seem to be used incorrectly and we have a young half back at full back and a young scrum half at stand off and several other selection issues. Ironically given my comments regarding MM v Noble the current situation reminds me to some extent of 2006 before Noble arrived to sort things out.

It also shows how integral to success coaches are and so it is right when the team does have success they also get the plaudits. It works both ways though and when you get thumped like Wigan did at Les Cats it's not on to excuse the coach by saying his players let him down as if he has no responsibility for the result.

Re: Wane OUT : Sat May 30, 2015 7:47 pm  

Looks like you will have to dig this out another time DaveO...

Re: Wane OUT : Sat May 30, 2015 8:09 pm  

Blimey. Talk about over reactions!

Re: Wane OUT : Sun May 31, 2015 12:41 pm  

Cbr1000rr wrote:

You my friend have your head buried in the sand

Do you still think my head is buried in the sand? The first of my three predictions in the bag!p after yesterday's win against Leeds!