Re: Are Wigan leaving to much on the training pitch ?. : Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:52 pm  

Players have been injured in training as long as i can remember... But hey, lets create another myth...

Re: Are Wigan leaving to much on the training pitch ?. : Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:05 pm  

Wigan Peer wrote:

I was merely pointing out the selective nature of the choice of snippets... Our successes over the last few years suggests that whatever we are doing, is working.

WP, there was nothing selective about the quotes I picked out (even though it may have seemed that way) I was trying put show the emphasise on aggression (even though the word brutality was used) and the consequences that may happen with regard to fatigue and training ground injuries that may be picked up.

In regard to what you say regarding our success over the last few years, I cannot disagree but at times it has seemed like a war of attrition.

My problem is I belong in the past, brought up on great rugby, admittedly not always successful.

Re: Are Wigan leaving to much on the training pitch ?. : Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:09 pm  

Not sure it is a myth. Pretty certain Micky Mac and Lockers amongst others picked up injuries in training last season. There have indeed been quite a few in the past couple of seasons and I would guess more than at other clubs.
As previously stated, though, there is a fine balance and undoubted pluses of getting the players 'battle hardened". The problem is exacerbated this time with it being Sarge who is almost certainly our best centre at the moment, a position we are not strong in, particularly with Thornley being a long term injury casualty. (I think his latest setback was the result of a training injury too…….!!!)

Re: Are Wigan leaving to much on the training pitch ?. : Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:55 pm  

So are we starting to invent reasons why we didn't win the Grand Final last year?

We all know why that happened. We saw it with our own eyes. And it was nothing whatsoever to do with over-training.

Re: Are Wigan leaving to much on the training pitch ?. : Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:25 am  

I think our training regime may have quite a bit to do with our large player turnover in recent years.

Re: Are Wigan leaving to much on the training pitch ?. : Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:56 am  

Being in the army I believe that the lads will thrive of the tough training and although they probably hate it at the time after it's over its more beneficial than an easy session,if players leave wigan for an easier ride than there not the players we want out on the pitch for us.People may call us thugs but I think the lads will run through walls for each other and a team that's not necessarily big or fearsome punches well above its weight.We are just missing that little spark of magic(green,Tomkins)

Re: Are Wigan leaving to much on the training pitch ?. : Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:30 am  

The brutal training regime was reintroduced by Michael Maguire (I say reintroduced because it was commonplace under the likes of Lowe and Monie). So are we saying that Madge, who guided us to our first silverware in years, is the one at fault here? Or is the brutal regime only wrong when Shaun Wane employs it?

Re: Are Wigan leaving to much on the training pitch ?. : Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:49 am  

Cruncher wrote:

The brutal training regime was reintroduced by Michael Maguire (I say reintroduced because it was commonplace under the likes of Lowe and Monie). So are we saying that Madge, who guided us to our first silverware in years, is the one at fault here? Or is the brutal regime only wrong when Shaun Wane employs it?

See points 1 and 2.

Point No I, Michael Maguire was the one who made the training brutal at Wigan.
Point No 2, Waney has taken the levels of brutality to a different level, training is more punishing than ever these days.

Re: Are Wigan leaving to much on the training pitch ?. : Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:39 am  

stillinthepast wrote:

WP, there was nothing selective about the quotes I picked out (even though it may have seemed that way) I was trying put show the emphasise on aggression (even though the word brutality was used) and the consequences that may happen with regard to fatigue and training ground injuries that may be picked up.

In regard to what you say regarding our success over the last few years, I cannot disagree but at times it has seemed like a war of attrition.

My problem is I belong in the past, brought up on great rugby, admittedly not always successful.

Wasn't always great either.

Re: Are Wigan leaving to much on the training pitch ?. : Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:21 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

See points 1 and 2.

And is that a proven fact ... that training is much harder under Wane than it was under Maguire? For one thing Wane reintroduced warm weather training in Florida. Didn't Madge have them up in North Yorkshire, camping in snow?