Re: Fans forum - Burgess : Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:04 pm  

Pacific wrote:

He wont be missed too much. He was good last year but wasnt really outstanding. If a 27 year old had done what he did people wouldnt be talking him up half as much. Realistically he's had a good season for his age but so did Shaun Ainscough a few years ago for us. I imagine this deal being a disaster like Matty Russell's was. He'll go over hoping to emulate the other Burgess's and in fact he'll end up playing in front of 20 people and a dog in the Roosters B team in the NSW cup. Give it a few weeks and he'll be homesick and desperate to come back to England. He'll sign the only offer he can get from an English club with room on the salary cap (probably Wakefield).

Hopefully Wane will see sense and ship him up to Workington now and Manfredi can prove that he's a far better winger (especially in defence!!).

For you to quote Shaun Ainscough as being on a par with Joe Burgess at the same age is verging on the ludicrous , Burgess is by far the better player.
He is faster than Ainscough and when it came to defence and especially positioning and taking the high ball there is simply no comparison.

Like I said to myself when watching Burgess for the first time ( 2/3 years ago in the 9s ) I was watching Union material, he has something of the Chris Ashton in him.
Just my opinion.

Re: Fans forum - Burgess : Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:13 pm  

Couldn't make the forum but someone said that a loss of 500k was mentioned? Not sure about this but if true it emphaises the need to stay within strict salary structures in the current league-wide funding regime.

Re: Fans forum - Burgess : Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:29 pm  

stillinthepast wrote:

For you to quote Shaun Ainscough as being on a par with Joe Burgess at the same age is verging on the ludicrous , Burgess is by far the better player.
He is faster than Ainscough and when it came to defence and especially positioning and taking the high ball there is simply no comparison.

Like I said to myself when watching Burgess for the first time ( 2/3 years ago in the 9s ) I was watching Union material, he has something of the Chris Ashton in him.
Just my opinion.

Ladies and gentleman this is why you should always read a full thread before commenting.

Joe Burgess' *SITUATION* is similar to Ainscoughs.

Re: Fans forum - Burgess : Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:17 pm  

stillinthepast wrote:

For you to quote Shaun Ainscough as being on a par with Joe Burgess at the same age is verging on the ludicrous , Burgess is by far the better player.
He is faster than Ainscough and when it came to defence and especially positioning and taking the high ball there is simply no comparison.

Like I said to myself when watching Burgess for the first time ( 2/3 years ago in the 9s ) I was watching Union material, he has something of the Chris Ashton in him.
Just my opinion.

To be fair Burgess is in a better team.

Re: Fans forum - Burgess : Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:46 pm  

Finfin wrote:

Couldn't make the forum but someone said that a loss of 500k was mentioned? Not sure about this but if true it emphaises the need to stay within strict salary structures in the current league-wide funding regime.

Watched it back on Wigan TV and we made a loss of 475k in 2014 due to money pumped in to the Central Park facility as well as money in fresh kit for the facility at Orrell. Falling ST sales were also mentioned as a factor but Lenagan thinks the competative nature of the new structure will sort that.

On the plus side he said they know for a fact they will be back in profit for 2015 so it certainly doesn't sound anything to worry about. The forecast for this years profit must be down to our sponsorship deals. They're worth 747k this year in comparison to around 250k in Lenagans first season with us and only 203k in 2013 when our sponsor went bust (who were they? Can't remember the name). He says our sponsorship deals this year dwarf every other superleague team.

Re: Fans forum - Burgess : Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:54 am  

I feel for Wigan in this as they have done a lot of very good work in developing burgess and also will have put fair few quid into he development and same with the tomkins brothers etc

However, I don't blame him or any other player for going. We as fans look at it as a sport but to the players it's also a job that pays the bills. They also have wives, kids, mortgage, cars etc just like the fans. Just ask yourself if another company offered you more money, better way of life and a chance to test yourself against the best, I bet 99% would go for it.

I've no doubt he loves Wigan but this chance may never come again so he's got to grab with both hands and good on him.

I hope he goes over there and does well.

Re: Fans forum - Burgess : Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:27 am  

St pete wrote:

I feel for Wigan in this as they have done a lot of very good work in developing burgess and also will have put fair few quid into he development and same with the tomkins brothers etc

However, I don't blame him or any other player for going. We as fans look at it as a sport but to the players it's also a job that pays the bills. They also have wives, kids, mortgage, cars etc just like the fans. Just ask yourself if another company offered you more money, better way of life and a chance to test yourself against the best, I bet 99% would go for it.

I've no doubt he loves Wigan but this chance may never come again so he's got to grab with both hands and good on him.

I hope he goes over there and does well.

Spot on.

Re: Fans forum - Burgess : Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:29 am  

St pete wrote:

I feel for Wigan in this as they have done a lot of very good work in developing burgess and also will have put fair few quid into he development and same with the tomkins brothers etc

However, I don't blame him or any other player for going. We as fans look at it as a sport but to the players it's also a job that pays the bills. They also have wives, kids, mortgage, cars etc just like the fans. Just ask yourself if another company offered you more money, better way of life and a chance to test yourself against the best, I bet 99% would go for it.

I've no doubt he loves Wigan but this chance may never come again so he's got to grab with both hands and good on him.

I hope he goes over there and does well.

He's a different case to Sam and Joel Tomkins though IMO because they paid us back in spades for the money and effort put in to their development and both signed new contracts with us that got Wigan a healthy return on their investment.

Burgess on the other hand has really given nothing back yet in comparison, wouldn't sign a new deal and leaves for nothing before achieving anything.

Fair play to him, he's looking after himself and is being very single minded in his decision. He's showing great confidence in his ability and I'm convinced he'll succeed over there because he's an exceptional talent. It all feels a little bit classless to me but maybe he'll give the club something back this year or even in the future.

Re: Fans forum - Burgess : Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:31 am  

Wigan Peer wrote:

Spot on.

We've had it with Graham and Eastmond and don't get me wrong I wanted them to stay but I don't blame them one little bit in moving on.

A lot of saints fans was saying that Eastmond should have signed longer and then gone but what's to say that offer would still be there ? Take it when you can and get what you can, it's a short career in a tough sport.

Re: Fans forum - Burgess : Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:33 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

He's a different case to Sam and Joel Tomkins though IMO because they paid us back in spades for the money and effort put in to their development and both signed new contracts with us that got Wigan a healthy return on their investment.

Burgess on the other hand has really given nothing back yet in comparison, wouldn't sign a new deal and leaves for nothing before achieving anything.

Fair play to him, he's looking after himself and is being very single minded in his decision. He's showing great confidence in his ability and I'm convinced he'll succeed over there because he's an exceptional talent. It all feels a little bit classless to me but maybe he'll give the club something back this year or even in the future.

It's different but not different mate.

Yes they stayed longer but same reasons apply, they went for better money, better way of life in the best comp in the world and I don't Blame them.