Re: If Bulls are liquidated...... : Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:43 am  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Of course. Point is they are obviously still employing players "above their means".

So how does this sit with your continued insistence that the salary cap is holding the game back?

Are you suggesting that all clubs that are operating at a loss should be obliged to reduce their player expenditure so that they exist "within their means"?

Re: If Bulls are liquidated...... : Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:50 am  

Suggestion that if they go everyone will just simply get two points for every game v Bradford. Might be an idea then to just set all those results at 26-0 (default scoreline) to everyone and its all fair. Although Leeds would get a gift two points as I just alluded to.

Re: If Bulls are liquidated...... : Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:53 am  

Bilko wrote:

But what would have to Leeds. As the only club to play them three times, they would suffer worse. Hard to see how the RFL can get out of that one, if it happens.

As my earlier post only way to address would be to dismiss all of Bradford's results and award every club two points from each of the voided fixtures whether the game had already been played or not no matter what the score had been.

Re: If Bulls are liquidated...... : Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:56 am  

Give everyone 4 points and a +52 points diff. Or alternatively just give everyone 2 points and +26 from here on in who play Bradford.

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: If Bulls are liquidated...... : Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:56 am  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Of course. Point is they are obviously still employing players "above their means".

And that is the fault of the cap how?

Re: If Bulls are liquidated...... : Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:41 am  

Conroy wrote:

Give everyone 4 points and a +52 points diff. Or alternatively just give everyone 2 points and +26 from here on in who play Bradford.

How does that address the additional Manchester fixture for Leeds?

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: If Bulls are liquidated...... : Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:49 am  

Paul Youane wrote:

How does that address the additional Manchester fixture for Leeds?

That third Leeds fixture means that no matter what happens, Leeds are going to be advantaged or disadvantaged in some way. If all Bradford games are taken out they'll had played one game less than anyone else.

If the worse happens (which I don't expect anyway) I'd suggest, all home and away fixtures v Bradford are taken off the records completely, but the neutral fixture Leeds had at Manchester stays on the record. That way all teams are being treated the same in terms of home and away games and Leeds play the same number of games as everyone else.

Nothing is going to be perfect but I'd say that's about as fair as it could be.

[DaveO]

Re: If Bulls are liquidated...... : Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:15 am  

Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy wrote:

And that is the fault of the cap how?

Because they removed the "50% of income or £1.6m whichever is the lower" rule. All clubs can spend to the cap limit now regardless of if they can afford to. As I am sure you remember this change was introduced so the cap could be "live" following the outrage from the likes of Cas at Wigan's cap-breaking antics. So it's not the fault of the cap if a club is stupid enough to overspend but it is certainly true the cap has nothing to do with ensuring clubs do not go bust.

Re: If Bulls are liquidated...... : Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:18 am  

well, we've not managed to sort out any concensus as to how to procede. what hope is there that the RFL can?

what a complete & utter mess

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: If Bulls are liquidated...... : Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:29 am  

DaveO wrote:

Because they removed the "50% of income or £1.6m whichever is the lower" rule. All clubs can spend to the cap limit now regardless of if they can afford to. As I am sure you remember this change was introduced so the cap could be "live" following the outrage from the likes of Cas at Wigan's cap-breaking antics. So it's not the fault of the cap if a club is stupid enough to overspend but it is certainly true the cap has nothing to do with ensuring clubs do not go bust.

The cap have never had anything to do with whether clubs go bust or not. Whenever something like the Bulls situation happens the usual suspects come out with the usual tosh trying to blame the cap in some way, instead of focusing on Directors of clubs mismanaging the finances.